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Post by setfiretostrawmen on Jun 1, 2017 21:24:46 GMT -5
I'm fairly new to the genre myself, at least compared to those of you who have been listening for years. I think, however, that authenticity proves itself only with time. A lot of people might come and go, but if they don't have any real emotional attachment to the music then they'll be gone before you know it. They'll lose interest and move on to something new. But if someone only now discovers this music, and they genuinely connect with it, then all the better for it I say.
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Post by Tyrannus on Jun 2, 2017 8:33:23 GMT -5
I'm fairly new to the genre myself, at least compared to those of you who have been listening for years. I think, however, that authenticity proves itself only with time. A lot of people might come and go, but if they don't have any real emotional attachment to the music then they'll be gone before you know it. They'll lose interest and move on to something new. But if someone only now discovers this music, and they genuinely connect with it, then all the better for it I say. This is how I feel! Sometimes I think we're too quick to call people "posers" before they have time to demonstrate their commitment. I mean I've been listening for a few years but only making it for a few months so I've only really been involved with the online community for a short while, and while it's certainly friendlier than maybe black metal or noise it still takes some time to really get integrated into the community
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Post by andrewwerdna on Jun 2, 2017 8:44:40 GMT -5
I think once you stop feeling like an outsider is when you've really become a poser.
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Post by Tyrannus on Jun 2, 2017 8:49:59 GMT -5
I think once you stop feeling like an outsider is when you've really become a poser. Haha I could see that being the case. Acceptance can be even less fulfilling than the alternative, and I could see that being especially true if your music is particularly out there or you're very critical of your own work. I guess just being "part of the club" can be sort of an empty feeling depending on what you bring into it
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Post by Alder on Jun 7, 2017 11:12:58 GMT -5
I think once you stop feeling like an outsider is when you've really become a poser. Haha I could see that being the case. Acceptance can be even less fulfilling than the alternative, and I could see that being especially true if your music is particularly out there or you're very critical of your own work. I guess just being "part of the club" can be sort of an empty feeling depending on what you bring into it This sentiment really speaks to me - I've seen a fair few minor noise communities stagnate and die as self-declared core members decide they've "got the formula down" that everyone wants to hear. Go where the challenge is greatest! But, in all seriousness, witch-hunting for Poseurs is also one of the worst things that can happen to a genre. Is it unavoidable once the fanbase grows to a certain size? I do not know. While I like what they post for sure, the tone of the "True Dungeon Synth" group makes me a bit nervous for this very reason...
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Post by Tyrannus on Jun 7, 2017 17:26:34 GMT -5
Haha I could see that being the case. Acceptance can be even less fulfilling than the alternative, and I could see that being especially true if your music is particularly out there or you're very critical of your own work. I guess just being "part of the club" can be sort of an empty feeling depending on what you bring into it This sentiment really speaks to me - I've seen a fair few minor noise communities stagnate and die as self-declared core members decide they've "got the formula down" that everyone wants to hear. Go where the challenge is greatest! But, in all seriousness, witch-hunting for Poseurs is also one of the worst things that can happen to a genre. Is it unavoidable once the fanbase grows to a certain size? I do not know. While I like what they post for sure, the tone of the "True Dungeon Synth" group makes me a bit nervous for this very reason... I won't pretend to know what goes on in that group. They're doing their thing and that's fine but it's not for me. I'd like to think they're not some kind of antagonist or opposing force or anything. I assume good intentions usually
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Post by andrewwerdna on Jun 7, 2017 20:14:45 GMT -5
There are some cool members in that group, but for it to serve any real purpose I think they need to get over their fear of confrontation and open it up a bit. I mean, if they actually believe their ideas to be true why should they be afraid to voice them publicly? I think for some of them this music provides a feeling of self-importance that they don't want challenged. Fair enough. My pretentious black metal elitism as a teenager got me through some hard times, so I understand.
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Post by Tyrannus on Jun 7, 2017 21:00:28 GMT -5
There are some cool members in that group, but for it to serve any real purpose I think they need to get over their fear of confrontation and open it up a bit. I mean, if they actually believe their ideas to be true why should they be afraid to voice them publicly? I think for some of them this music provides a feeling of self-importance that they don't want challenged. Fair enough. My pretentious black metal elitism as a teenager got me through some hard times, so I understand. Damn, I was sort of worried about that being the case...well, I guess everyone needs something to get them through the day
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Post by Ananoriel on Jun 8, 2017 6:45:43 GMT -5
I find the black metal scene and a lot of 'family'scenes pretty closeminded and full of elitism for some reason. I never understood it really, if you are into the music, why would you even care what others do or listen to? It is something completely personal, and if someone is a 'poser' let them be, whatever. There are other things to worry about. I am always glad to find people with similar interests and taste, so why would I think I would be better than others because my taste is 'superior'. Everyone thinks their own taste is the best, because well... it is your taste.
I am a member of both groups because both groups post good and interesting music and other posts, and I just try to ignore the drama and be more neutral about it. I am there for the music, and that is what counts.
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Post by Tyrannus on Jun 8, 2017 14:28:55 GMT -5
I find the black metal scene and a lot of 'family'scenes pretty closeminded and full of elitism for some reason. I never understood it really, if you are into the music, why would you even care what others do or listen to? It is something completely personal, and if someone is a 'poser' let them be, whatever. There are other things to worry about. I am always glad to find people with similar interests and taste, so why would I think I would be better than others because my taste is 'superior'. Everyone thinks their own taste is the best, because well... it is your taste. I am a member of both groups because both groups post good and interesting music and other posts, and I just try to ignore the drama and be more neutral about it. I am there for the music, and that is what counts. That's a good way to be, I'd say. I agree that these scenes tend to foster elitism...I've always viewed that kind of attitude as a reflection of some personal weakness though. I used to fairly snobby about a lot of things in music but realized that this wasn't conducive to enjoying the music and the associated community. But I think it's important for everyone to get what they want out of DS...not all the same artists are going to scratch the same itches for everyone and that's fine. What matters is having a good personal experience
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Post by andrewwerdna on Jun 8, 2017 18:03:58 GMT -5
I have certain ideas about what is "true" to the spirit of the genre, and I actually enjoy a bit of heated discussion on those issues. I welcome open and passionate criticism, but with such criticism it should be expected that there will be an equally passionate response; that sort of argumentation can be healthy. Even when neither side shifts their opinion the discussion is valuable because in the process of making the argument one comes to better understand the foundations of one's own position. But the "true" group does not want to engage in such dialogue, they just want to hear agreement. What's the point of trying to establish quality control if only those who agree can see it and there is no discussion about what "quality" actually entails?
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Post by Tyrannus on Jun 8, 2017 19:33:35 GMT -5
I have certain ideas about what is "true" to the spirit of the genre, and I actually enjoy a bit of heated discussion on those issues. I welcome open and passionate criticism, but with such criticism it should be expected that there will be an equally passionate response; that sort of argumentation can be healthy. Even when neither side shifts their opinion the discussion is valuable because in the process of making the argument one comes to better understand the foundations of one's own position. But the "true" group does not want to engage in such dialogue, they just want to hear agreement. What's the point of trying to establish quality control if only those who agree can see it and there is no discussion about what "quality" actually entails? I'd be very interesting in discussing what DS should be, for sure. I feel I've had to argue my position many times but I mean I'm not sure I really have had a very engaging discussion about it really. That might be a good idea for a thread, on here "what SHOULD good DS entail?"
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Post by thekeeper on Jun 9, 2017 12:24:33 GMT -5
I have certain ideas about what is "true" to the spirit of the genre, and I actually enjoy a bit of heated discussion on those issues. I welcome open and passionate criticism, but with such criticism it should be expected that there will be an equally passionate response; that sort of argumentation can be healthy. Even when neither side shifts their opinion the discussion is valuable because in the process of making the argument one comes to better understand the foundations of one's own position. But the "true" group does not want to engage in such dialogue, they just want to hear agreement. What's the point of trying to establish quality control if only those who agree can see it and there is no discussion about what "quality" actually entails? I'd be very interesting in discussing what DS should be, for sure. I feel I've had to argue my position many times but I mean I'm not sure I really have had a very engaging discussion about it really. That might be a good idea for a thread, on here "what SHOULD good DS entail?" The 'good' is an interesting signifier, especially to what 'good' is synonymous with in DS. A dungeony atmosphere, escapism and the weighing of reality with fantasy, nostalgia, timpani and a tambourine, composition, sword pics? Do the things that 'should' describe enjoyable music, a common theme, or elements of the genre's common elements? None of these, do whatever? I'd say to definitely make a thread for it, some good potential there.
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Post by andrewwerdna on Jun 9, 2017 16:45:36 GMT -5
I'd certainly weigh in with my own two cents. And I think I remember the major points presented by the "true DS" camp if we can't find someone to represent them in the discussion.
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Post by Tyrannus on Jun 9, 2017 17:14:49 GMT -5
I'd certainly weigh in with my own two cents. And I think I remember the major points presented by the "true DS" camp if we can't find someone to represent them in the discussion. I'd prefer if this was more framed as the opinions of individuals versus collective entities or camps but we'll see how that goes. I will start this thread shortly, I think
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