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Post by olofdigre on Aug 13, 2017 13:29:34 GMT -5
Yeah we don't use our real names do we? And we use masks like Erang and Mortiis do. That is the style that goes with the genre. But most of is are not in character when we talk about ourselves and our lives and music. so we are not totally anonymous.
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Post by Tyrannus on Aug 13, 2017 13:50:54 GMT -5
Yeah we don't use our real names do we? And we use masks like Erang and Mortiis do. That is the style that goes with the genre. But most of is are not in character when we talk about ourselves and our lives and music. so we are not totally anonymous. Yeah I feel like anonymity in the genre might be on the decline if anything
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Post by jondexter on Sept 27, 2017 8:54:42 GMT -5
I probably have more respect for those that do not intentionally self promote their music all the time -I find this pretty annoying especially really corny shit aimed at kids or egotistical shit proclaiming how they made the scene or whatever the fuck. But in the end music is music and hopefully this is the heavyweight factor as to its popularity. As someone else mentioned none of us really know anyone here to a certain degree we all are just like minded individuals whom feed off of each other for feedback and acceptance to a certain degree in order to give ourselves merit to continue doing what we do.
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Post by Nacht on Oct 21, 2017 10:59:29 GMT -5
When it comes to dungeon synth, I want to know as little as possible about the identity of the person about the music. For me the entire purpose of this genre is to escape into a fantasy world; I can't really do that when I know that the music was made by 23-year-old Dave from Philly (that was a hypothetical, to be clear). It's one of the reasons why I think Thangorodrim is doing so much right with their music; as far as I know, all we know is that they're from Prescott, Arizona, and that's it - I can dive into the music and the author/artist remains as mysterious as the music itself, it lets the imagination run wild a little bit. I'm not saying they're anywhere close to being the only one who does that, but they're just the main artist that springs to mind.
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Post by nahadoth on Oct 21, 2017 12:07:07 GMT -5
The guy behind that project was active on social media for awhile, including in some of the FB DS groups. So there's not so much of the same mystique for me.
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Post by Tyrannus on Oct 21, 2017 14:10:42 GMT -5
The guy behind that project was active on social media for awhile, including in some of the FB DS groups. So there's not so much of the same mystique for me. Yeah I was about to say, I thought we already knew a bit about him. The thing about DS artists is that they’re generally regular people so I feel the whole “mystique” thing isn’t a huge selling point for me at least. I find I have a strongest connection with those artists that I know as people and find to be interesting people
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Post by jondexter on Oct 22, 2017 7:00:28 GMT -5
Is Thangorodrim the same guy as Sequestered Keep? It says this on The Wulfrune Worxx disto list
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Post by nahadoth on Oct 22, 2017 9:19:30 GMT -5
Good question - I have suspected this at various points. Thangorodrim does say Arizona and and SK does say Utah on their bandcamp pages, but of course that could be a fabrication.
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Post by thekeeper on Oct 22, 2017 11:04:29 GMT -5
Is Thangorodrim the same guy as Sequestered Keep? It says this on The Wulfrune Worxx disto list I think they're different people. I know the Thangorodrim guy is on facebook and if I remember correctly, the SK guy was someone else. I think both are in the Trve group now, or at least Thango is. Can't remember the SK guy's name.
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Post by Tyrannus on Oct 22, 2017 11:12:23 GMT -5
I thought SK might be fief and part of Caladan brood based on location
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Post by thekeeper on Oct 22, 2017 11:14:15 GMT -5
Is Thangorodrim the same guy as Sequestered Keep? It says this on The Wulfrune Worxx disto list I think they're different people. I know the Thangorodrim guy is on facebook and if I remember correctly, the SK guy was someone else. I think both are in the Trve group now, or at least Thango is. Can't remember the SK guy's name. Can't find the post I was thinking of. I remember a post about quantity vs quality and someone was commenting on SK's speedy output and I could've swore that he chimed in tp comment on his process, but I think I might be confusing this with his interview.
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Post by jondexter on Oct 22, 2017 23:59:35 GMT -5
This is what it says on the tape distro list “Thangorodrim (US/AZ) Dagor Bragalloch (ULV 1024) (side project from Sequestered Keep member, dungeon synth a la first Mortiis era)” that is why I thought it could be but maybe Skogen made a mistake?
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Post by morihaus on Nov 15, 2017 7:49:21 GMT -5
I'd say we're in the midst of the 3rd wave. I'd classify the 90s tape stuff as 1st, early BC stuff as 2nd, and now that we're branching out more into microgenres and expanding more, we're in wave 3. And I would say that DS is currently an 'internet genre', even though people might not like the sound of that. I don't see that term as a specifically negative thing, it just means that it came into fruition online. Even though DS existed before the internet scene, it wasn't connected as 'Dungeon Synth'. The term itself is specific to the internet. The vast majority of DS was born online, and physicals really only caught on among the internet scene after more labels started up, most was and still is just on bandcamp. I actually don't like artist pictures in DS. Some times it works well, like with Mortiis and Old Tower (your images are fitting as well), but I'd just prefer a lack of human presentation, or at least an obscured and weird one (grainy xerox stuff, some kind of mask, etc). This is probably a more recent opinion of mine. It doesn't make a very big impact on how I listen, but if I know how someone looks, sometimes that will pop into my head and kind of break up the mystique. Presentation can definitely enhance listening, but it doesn't typically diminish it. My opinions on album art are typically separate from the music itself. Even if I don't like the album art that much, I can still like the music, and the inverse can be true as well. I think I'll always enjoy xerox art, things with pen and pencil illustrations, and some basic digitally made art more than the real high quality stuff. I like 90s tape covers with easily recognizable stock fonts, clip art, things like that. This Cernunnos Woods promo cover is great in my eyes despite its simplicity. It's the most basic thing, but I love when metal bands use Papyrus typeface. I do have a soft spot for early digital art because its so goofy looking that it just feels strange. This Gloomy Grim cover art is kind of notorious for being bad but I absolutely love it. There's just something about that era of digital art that's so much more interesting than high quality detailed stuff that we have now. Same with early and mid 3d art in video games, it can add an otherworldly aspect. King's Field wouldn't be the same game if it had been made in 2015. Maybe it's something about the amateurish looks to what I've described so far that makes things just feel more personal and earnest. man I'd have to agree on so much of this. I'm not sure what it is about lower quality sounds and images that's just so damn appealing. Is it that it's more relatable? It has to go beyond that...there's something about the way the lack of quality obscures things...and in a way that comes across sounding more mystical and esoteric and primal versus just cheap and lazy and shitty. Although it's worth pointing out that a lot of people would describe the "mystical" stuff I like as cheap and lazy and shitty haha. I think there is something about distortion and minimalism in details that leaves a lot of mystery and question to art. This is a theme I notice that the conversion comes back to again and again. When there is this titillating balance between minimalism and beauty, it leaves a lot for the mind to interpret. This is something that can go even beyond art, and into theology, spirituality, and ritualism... but we won't go into that here... It is hard to explain, but I find myself thinking about it a lot. Old video games are an example. It is so odd how they capture the imagination, their worlds seem to have such an air of mystery and boundlessness. There are of course games like Darklands that are especially like this...but even mainstream titles such as Brainlord, Secret of Mana, the early Final Fantasy stuff. Usually the music is 16 bit so they had to communicate in minimal way, rather than having access to orchestras. I puzzle over how pixellated landscapes and sampled music of Final Fantasy IV can be so mesmerizing and immersive, and all the new titles have these epic soundtracks with orchestras and bands...and yet are less compelling overall. I think we are naturally drawn to the unknown. Hence why disappearances and murder mysteries are such pop culture phenomenon. I find, once I spend a long time in a forest or cave, I have a different relationship with it than at the beginning. As, I have "devoured" it, so to speak. It no longer has new fruits to yield. With music, this is never the case, especially in the case of Black Metal, DS, and the like, because we can never really "devour" these worlds completely, their existence is only implied, and so this mystical thing perpetually emanates.
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Post by Tyrannus on Nov 20, 2017 12:02:02 GMT -5
This is what it says on the tape distro list “Thangorodrim (US/AZ) Dagor Bragalloch (ULV 1024) (side project from Sequestered Keep member, dungeon synth a la first Mortiis era)” that is why I thought it could be but maybe Skogen made a mistake? Well Sequestered Keep is London Bertoch (I forgot I knew this from buying tapes from him directly) who Facebook lists as being from AZ now and not Utah like the Sequestered Keep bandcamp says. So that’s interesting
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Post by zerointerno on Nov 20, 2017 13:23:08 GMT -5
Even if I dislike a person I consider the music as a way to pry the world through his point of view - not accepting it as my own but like having a brief journey - and thus way understanding he is not as bad as he seems to be, as long as he is able to find a coherence and appreciate harmony. I love to explore "enemy songs", not to mock or to feel superior, but for the sake of maintaining the humanity.
A person who acts dickish is probably either misguided or just feel oppressed. The beautiful music they create is the shining of a human soul they retain, no matter how they percept the world and how they try to fit themselves into it.
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