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Post by Alder on Aug 7, 2017 11:01:05 GMT -5
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Post by Alder on Aug 7, 2017 11:20:53 GMT -5
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Post by Alder on Aug 7, 2017 11:24:44 GMT -5
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Post by Alder on Aug 7, 2017 11:30:58 GMT -5
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Post by Alder on Aug 7, 2017 11:36:11 GMT -5
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Post by Tyrannus on Aug 7, 2017 13:07:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure where they're from but some of the fantastic beasts have great illustrations
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Post by thekeeper on Aug 7, 2017 13:50:00 GMT -5
Great illustrations. Always thought the chapter title illustrations had a distinct style. I don't even remember Fantastic Beasts having illustrations, but it's been years and years.
Perhaps this would be a good place for it: what do you think the reason is for contention about HP themed DS? Or just uproar about HP at all among more elite fantasy crowds.
Typically what I hear from the more hxc fantasy d00ds is that it's "made for kids". On one hand this is true, but it's still quite a dark series, especially later on. I think the "kid's book" thing is a cop out since a lot of fantasy literature is written for children or has origins in children's tales in relation to mythology or superstition (also The Hobbit is literally a children's book). Is it the setting? Blending fantasy with realism, putting it in a school setting with teenagers? Is it the mainstream success? I suspect a large part of it is because of the fandom culture that has grown around it, but in that case it's a matter of identity-conflict and not the literature itself. Also, HP has kind of come to be the poster series for 'liberal fantasy' in terms of politics an Rowling has made a lot of effort to stay relevant in the political climate. But, I don't know, a good heap of Tolkien's stuff is quite Christian and pagan-inclined people don't seem to overtly have a problem with it. I wonder if there would be an uproar over Redwall DS..
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Post by Tyrannus on Aug 7, 2017 13:50:08 GMT -5
I'm not sure where they're from but some of the fantastic beasts have great illustrations I think a version illustrated by Tomislav Tomic if I'm not mistaken?
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Post by Tyrannus on Aug 7, 2017 13:52:21 GMT -5
Great illustrations. Always thought the chapter title illustrations had a distinct style. I don't even remember Fantastic Beasts having illustrations, but it's been years and years. Perhaps this would be a good place for it: what do you think the reason is for contention about HP themed DS? Or just uproar about HP at all among more elite fantasy crowds. Typically what I hear from the more hxc fantasy d00ds is that it's "made for kids". On one hand this is true, but it's still quite a dark series, especially later on. I think the "kid's book" thing is a cop out since a lot of fantasy literature is written for children or has origins in children's tales in relation to mythology or superstition (also The Hobbit is literally a children's book). Is it the setting? Blending fantasy with realism, putting it in a school setting with teenagers? Is it the mainstream success? I suspect a large part of it is because of the fandom culture that has grown around it, but in that case it's a matter of identity-conflict and not the literature itself. Also, HP has kind of come to be the poster series for 'liberal fantasy' in terms of politics an Rowling has made a lot of effort to stay relevant in the political climate. But, I don't know, a good heap of Tolkien's stuff is quite Christian and pagan-inclined people don't seem to overtly have a problem with it. I wonder if there would be an uproar over Redwall DS.. I think the modernism and at times kind of urbanism of the series is what turns many off, if I had to guess, but it could be a number of things...
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Post by thekeeper on Aug 7, 2017 14:00:26 GMT -5
Great illustrations. Always thought the chapter title illustrations had a distinct style. I don't even remember Fantastic Beasts having illustrations, but it's been years and years. Perhaps this would be a good place for it: what do you think the reason is for contention about HP themed DS? Or just uproar about HP at all among more elite fantasy crowds. Typically what I hear from the more hxc fantasy d00ds is that it's "made for kids". On one hand this is true, but it's still quite a dark series, especially later on. I think the "kid's book" thing is a cop out since a lot of fantasy literature is written for children or has origins in children's tales in relation to mythology or superstition (also The Hobbit is literally a children's book). Is it the setting? Blending fantasy with realism, putting it in a school setting with teenagers? Is it the mainstream success? I suspect a large part of it is because of the fandom culture that has grown around it, but in that case it's a matter of identity-conflict and not the literature itself. Also, HP has kind of come to be the poster series for 'liberal fantasy' in terms of politics an Rowling has made a lot of effort to stay relevant in the political climate. But, I don't know, a good heap of Tolkien's stuff is quite Christian and pagan-inclined people don't seem to overtly have a problem with it. I wonder if there would be an uproar over Redwall DS.. I think the modernism and at times kind of urbanism of the series is what turns many off, if I had to guess, but it could be a number of things... Probably. I feel at times its less of the literature itself than outside factors or principles, otherwise I don't think people would be as vocal about not liking it.
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Post by Alder on Aug 7, 2017 14:31:20 GMT -5
Typically what I hear from the more hxc fantasy d00ds is that it's "made for kids". On one hand this is true, but it's still quite a dark series, especially later on. I think the "kid's book" thing is a cop out since a lot of fantasy literature is written for children or has origins in children's tales in relation to mythology or superstition (also The Hobbit is literally a children's book). Is it the setting? Blending fantasy with realism, putting it in a school setting with teenagers? Is it the mainstream success? I suspect a large part of it is because of the fandom culture that has grown around it, but in that case it's a matter of identity-conflict and not the literature itself. Also, HP has kind of come to be the poster series for 'liberal fantasy' in terms of politics an Rowling has made a lot of effort to stay relevant in the political climate. But, I don't know, a good heap of Tolkien's stuff is quite Christian and pagan-inclined people don't seem to overtly have a problem with it. I wonder if there would be an uproar over Redwall DS.. Seems like you hit on most of the main points. I think both your points are solid about people being adverse bc they think it's "for kids" and that most fantasy has roots or cousins in "children's tales." But, that's a whole other beef I have with the fantasy purists - most of that stuff reflects compartmentalization of cultural memory or values as tales understandable by all. Rowling herself said the main theme of the series is "Death." Even as a grown-ass-man I honestly believe the books have helped me learn to accept & appreciate death as a reality in my (and everyone's) life. Also, I think how you consume/were introduced to HP has much to do with it. Personally, I think the movies are kinda crappy & geared mostly toward merchandising and generating Dr-Who-like fandomism. The films also lost the majority of the dungeon & sorcery aesthetic originally presented by the books (these illustrations) and fell into the standard look & feel of throwaway YA movies from the era. All of which is certainly annoying, but I've simply accepted the movies aren't the medium for me. The audiobooks read by Stephen Fry, however, have become a staple in my road trip/insomnia/working out routine. I've been fantasizing about setting them to background DS tracks for like two years now. As for the modernism/urbanism thing - that certainly does detract from the DS-y feel. (Notice I mostly avoided chapter illustrations showing characters in modern dress or other urban settings.) However, the world built around these teen-adventure-stories is the real interesting stuff. So much of the ancient wizarding world is only hinted at I find it a fertile ground for daydreaming and inspiration. Like, imagine the precursor stories to Hogwarts etc., along the lines of what KOTOR was to the on-screen Star Wars'. God damn would I love to play that rpg! As for Redwall...if done right, it could be amazing. Cheesey, certainly, but potentially in that good dungeon-cheese way!
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Post by thekeeper on Aug 7, 2017 14:48:43 GMT -5
Alder, yeah perhaps if someone didn't have them in their life as a kid but had other fantasy works around, higher fantasy stuff, they may not like them as much due to their urbanism. I guess if DS revolves around escapism and transport, a somewhat urban alternative might seem conflicting. I have fond memories of reading the books with my mom, especially the first book when it initially came out. The books are definitely more lore-rich and have a lot of imagery that the movies didn't portray, but I still like the movies. I think they're incredibly well-done in terms of visuals, even if they became less 'dungeon'. I can absolutely see Death as the overarching theme of the series. There are some very mature thematic elements and concepts, undoubtedly.
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Post by Alder on Aug 7, 2017 16:22:56 GMT -5
Alder , yeah perhaps if someone didn't have them in their life as a kid but had other fantasy works around, higher fantasy stuff, they may not like them as much due to their urbanism. I guess if DS revolves around escapism and transport, a somewhat urban alternative might seem conflicting. I have fond memories of reading the books with my mom, especially the first book when it initially came out. You know, I've never explicitly thought about it before, but Harry Potter is certainly part of my concrete fantasy base: I was reading the HP books as they came out at the same time I was first reading Tolkien during middle school & early high school. I distinctly remember book 4 coming out as I was trying to tackle the Silmarillion and being thankful I had something a little bit lighter to read for a while!
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