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Post by stormcrow on Jan 26, 2018 12:06:54 GMT -5
I have never ben into gothic doom... I love Candlemass discography but that's another story  BUT: I saw My dying bride live in Florence supporting Iron Maiden back in 1995, and they did an amazing show, something I will never forget. Their album The Angel And The Dark River is actually a must have. Anathema were a good act too, they had also a subtle Pink Floyd vein if i remember well. |
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Post by thekeeper on Jan 26, 2018 12:30:35 GMT -5
Some people consider Nightfall from Candlemass an early gothic doom album, but I don't know if I'd call it that.
MDB are great. 95, that's a pretty heavy early time for them. Sounds like a great show opening for Maiden. You should listen to Anathema now, they've changed a lot but they're still an interesting band. A Natural Disaster is really good. I could see the Pink Floyd influence, even in the early stuff.
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Post by stormcrow on Jan 26, 2018 18:06:47 GMT -5
Some people consider Nightfall from Candlemass an early gothic doom album, but I don't know if I'd call it that. MDB are great. 95, that's a pretty heavy early time for them. Sounds like a great show opening for Maiden. You should listen to Anathema now, they've changed a lot but they're still an interesting band. A Natural Disaster is really good. I could see the Pink Floyd influence, even in the early stuff. I find in Candlemass music much of Black Sabbath influence, filtered through an epic metal approach. Not too different from what Manowar did in their first 4 albums. I forgot to mention about Moonspell, they were gothic metal champions in their early days! I remember "Opium" and "Ruin and misery" clips in heavy rotation on italian TV (late night, of course) back in the mid 90s. What a band! One of my favourite from those years is Amorphis' "Tuonela", could it be labeled as a gothic metal album? |
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Post by DieuxDesCimetieres on Jan 27, 2018 4:26:07 GMT -5
I wouldn't say Amorphis had much to do with anything gothic back then; from from Elegy to Eclipse they were more of a metal/rock band with light progressive rock influences and imagery borrowing from "light" progressive rock and our Finnish national epic Kalevala - eg. you could hear they'd listened to far too much Kingston Wall. Some okay stuff on those albums, I just don't really like Pasi Koskinen's vocals that much. I guess with Tomi Joutseno, their current singer, there are slightly more elements in their music and imagery that could be perceived as "gothic". Personally, for me, Amorphis beyond the first two albums and the Privilege Of Evil EP doesn't hold too much interest.
EDIT: Tuonela is my favourite of the Pasi Koskinen albums. Divinity and Summer's End are great songs.
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Post by stormcrow on Feb 4, 2018 4:33:19 GMT -5
Just moved my old "Candlemass live" tape from the bookshelf to the stereo... Still impressed how powerful is this album's sound!! I have the first press vinyl too. One of the best live albums in metal history without any doubt.
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Post by thekeeper on Feb 19, 2018 15:55:14 GMT -5
Such a great track, especially the atmosphere of the verses
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Post by detoxscission on Apr 13, 2018 23:20:19 GMT -5
Type O Negative will forever be my favorite from the genre. Paradise Lost has made themselves into a close second. From there, in particular order, love Katatonia, Tiamat, Sentenced, Pist.On, Jack Frost, Entwine, A Pale Horse Named Death and sporadic others. Gothic Doom? Draconian & My Dying Bride I suppose. I haven't listened to either regularly in quite some time. Also have a pretty strong dislike for Moonspell (I'm alright with their album, "The Antidote". Everything else i've tried I haven't liked). Even went so far as to see them live to see if anything changed. It did not.
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Post by kktz on Apr 14, 2018 8:47:46 GMT -5
Just mentioned my fave MDB album in Doom Metal thread, sorry I also like Draconian Times by Paradise Lost, that's where they are more closer to gothic metal/rock than doom I think. |
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Post by crawfordglissadevil on Jul 7, 2018 20:07:39 GMT -5
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Post by stormcrow on Jul 22, 2018 5:55:07 GMT -5
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Post by thekeeper on Jul 25, 2018 12:50:47 GMT -5
Type O Negative will forever be my favorite from the genre. Paradise Lost has made themselves into a close second. From there, in particular order, love Katatonia, Tiamat, Sentenced, Pist.On, Jack Frost, Entwine, A Pale Horse Named Death and sporadic others. Gothic Doom? Draconian & My Dying Bride I suppose. I haven't listened to either regularly in quite some time. Also have a pretty strong dislike for Moonspell (I'm alright with their album, "The Antidote". Everything else i've tried I haven't liked). Even went so far as to see them live to see if anything changed. It did not. I've seen Moonspell live as well and it wasn't anything special. Fernando marched out in this Roman helmet. Weird antics. I like them but they're not among my favorites. I've really only heard their first two albums though. New one seemed seemed to have been received fairly well. |
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Post by thekeeper on Aug 5, 2018 23:17:03 GMT -5
I bought a few Moonspell CDs I haven't heard yet while browsing at the record store and I'm really I checked more of their stuff out because they're super good. Apparently this album was controversial for adding more industrial elements and it was further from like their normal doomy goth stuff, but it's great from start to finish:
I really love the instrumentation during the verses of 'Can't Bee'. I definitely have a soft spot for the "Y2K-ization" experiments some metal bands did in the late 90s and early 00s. My Dying Bride's 34.788%... Complete is an underrated example (the art in the lyrics booklet is ultra cheese). Even with black metal, I like Abigor's Satanized album.
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Post by Almenning on Aug 8, 2018 7:59:11 GMT -5
I bought a few Moonspell CDs I haven't heard yet while browsing at the record store and I'm really I checked more of their stuff out because they're super good. Apparently this album was controversial for adding more industrial elements and it was further from like their normal doomy goth stuff, but it's great from start to finish: I really love the instrumentation during the verses of 'Can't Bee'. I definitely have a soft spot for the "Y2K-ization" experiments some metal bands did in the late 90s and early 00s. My Dying Bride's 34.788%... Complete is an underrated example (the art in the lyrics booklet is ultra cheese). Even with black metal, I like Abigor's Satanized album. Have you listened to Heavenwood's debut album "Diva"? In the 90's they were on par with Moonspell and they were basically the first groups to achieve success outside Portugal. Their success didn't last long though, I think because unlike Moonspell they weren't able to deal with their own musical inconsistencies and maybe even with success itself. "Diva" and "Swallow" are very different but still great albums. I think the introduction of electronic elements in Moonspell was mostly due to the mainstream success of Marilyn Manson and NIN. In those days people felt that Metal wasn't going anywhere and a lot of strange and unnecessary albums were made. Sin and The Butterfly Effect aren't actually that bad but like you mentioned people didn't take it very well. Moonspell never recovered and have been since exploring new things from album to album without any sense of real identity, I don't know... But there's one thing they were really good at on their old days and that was composing Metal anthems based on Portuguese heritage and folklore like Alma Mater, Trebaruna and Ataegina. |
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Post by DieuxDesCimetieres on Aug 8, 2018 12:46:03 GMT -5
I reminisce the guys in Moonspell alos saying their label at the time (Century Media?) sort of pushed them into a more "mainstream" gothic metal sound in the wake of the success of Type O Negative and such acts - and to some extent against the desire of the band. Perhaps there's some truth to it, considering they've taken noticeable steps back to a more extreme metal influenced sound since the noughties albums.
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Post by thekeeper on Aug 8, 2018 13:32:56 GMT -5
I reminisce the guys in Moonspell alos saying their label at the time (Century Media?) sort of pushed them into a more "mainstream" gothic metal sound in the wake of the success of Type O Negative and such acts - and to some extent against the desire of the band. Perhaps there's some truth to it, considering they've taken noticeable steps back to a more extreme metal influenced sound since the noughties albums. That's interesting. Do you remember at what point they had started pushing for that? I just listened to Darkness and Hope for the first time the other day, so my guess is the Sin/Pecado, Butterfly Effect, D&H time. It's a pretty decent album though the lyricism kind of took a bit of a downturn from Butterfly, a little less interesting or personal. Musicianship is great though. "Nocturna" is probably one of my favorite songs of theirs now. |
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