engraven
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Post by engraven on Aug 11, 2022 13:11:50 GMT -5
No. Evil deserves to be brought into the light and examined so that it will never be forgotten. Are you saying that every documentary or book published on a serial killer, pedophile, rapist or tyrant should not exist, given that it has their name and face on the cover? No. Documentaries and books actually examine and grapple with these things, they are exactly how the subjects should be handled. A person will learn about them and understand exactly why they should be shunned from these sources. This dynamic does not exist with your album, which does no more to reckon with its subject matter than lazily throw a name and picture onto the cover for shock value. |
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Post by kenwprojects on Aug 11, 2022 13:19:28 GMT -5
No. Evil deserves to be brought into the light and examined so that it will never be forgotten. Are you saying that every documentary or book published on a serial killer, pedophile, rapist or tyrant should not exist, given that it has their name and face on the cover? No. Documentaries and books actually examine and grapple with these things, they are exactly how the subjects should be handled. A person will learn about them and understand exactly why they should be shunned from these sources. This dynamic does not exist with your album, which does no more to reckon with its subject matter than lazily throw a name and picture onto the cover for shock value. It does exist with my album, actually. The music and track titles reflect the brutality and vileness of his life and death, absent lyrics to accompany them. I stand by my work to the fullest and will continue to release albums on anyone I see fit. |
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engraven
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Post by engraven on Aug 11, 2022 13:29:22 GMT -5
I'll check Summoning out. I can't stand the gyms taste in music. Nothing about it is inspiring at all, which is, in my opinion, the highest providence an artist can strive to manifest. But that music, I just find it genuinely repulsive, it's so clean and safe and commercial. It is, all of it, the music of modernity, which I hate so much. I can't work out to that. So headphones are a must. They're very keyboard-fantasy atmospheric black metal, but they are generally considered one of the progenitors of the dungeon synth style. Flammifer, a track from one of their recent albums, Old Mornings Dawn, is pretty fuckin inspiring. I could squat to it for sure. |
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Post by crystallogic13 on Aug 12, 2022 2:05:01 GMT -5
No. Documentaries and books actually examine and grapple with these things, they are exactly how the subjects should be handled. A person will learn about them and understand exactly why they should be shunned from these sources. This dynamic does not exist with your album, which does no more to reckon with its subject matter than lazily throw a name and picture onto the cover for shock value. It does exist with my album, actually. The music and track titles reflect the brutality and vileness of his life and death, absent lyrics to accompany them. I stand by my work to the fullest and will continue to release albums on anyone I see fit. I wrote and rewrote this couple of sentences, trying not to come aggresive, but simply got tired, so here comes : So dude, of course it's your "music", your "telling real stories, don't be mad at me but at the world" thing which some other very sketchy individuals also use as a shameful excuse (i.e. nazis etc).. Though, noone can "police" who or what uses Dungeon.Synth tag / genre, so there's that, it's your right on the one hand. But it's also others' people right to consider you definitely a sketchy person at the least, producing some ill-themed music (which shit I won't anyway listen and I suspect it wouldn't even classify as DS anyway). Good thing though that I can safely ignore your stuff.. |
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Post by kenwprojects on Aug 12, 2022 10:50:17 GMT -5
It does exist with my album, actually. The music and track titles reflect the brutality and vileness of his life and death, absent lyrics to accompany them. I stand by my work to the fullest and will continue to release albums on anyone I see fit. I wrote and rewrote this couple of sentences, trying not to come aggresive, but simply got tired, so here comes : So dude, of course it's your "music", your "telling real stories, don't be mad at me but at the world" thing which some other very sketchy individuals also use as a shameful excuse (i.e. nazis etc).. Though, noone can "police" who or what uses Dungeon.Synth tag / genre, so there's that, it's your right on the one hand. But it's also others' people right to consider you definitely a sketchy person at the least, producing some ill-themed music (which shit I won't anyway listen and I suspect it wouldn't even classify as DS anyway). Good thing though that I can safely ignore your stuff.. I'll be sure to take your criticism into careful consideration, random-person-on-some-backwater-dungeon-synth-forum. Cope and seethe. |
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Post by crystallogic13 on Aug 12, 2022 11:03:11 GMT -5
I hope you do though take it into consideration but it's obvious you're in a state of mind that you won't .. Didn't expect any better honestly..
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Post by kenwprojects on Aug 12, 2022 11:21:48 GMT -5
I hope you do though take it into consideration but it's obvious you're in a state of mind that you won't .. Didn't expect any better honestly.. Acceptance is the first step to healing. |
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Post by crystallogic13 on Aug 12, 2022 11:26:41 GMT -5
I hope you do though take it into consideration but it's obvious you're in a state of mind that you won't .. Didn't expect any better honestly.. Acceptance is the first step to healing. But I aint hurt homie.. Are you maybe ? Maybe try to get some help you might need ? Or is it not help and it's simply attention? We'll never know or care .. |
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Post by kenwprojects on Aug 12, 2022 12:04:57 GMT -5
Acceptance is the first step to healing. But I aint hurt homie.. Are you maybe ? Maybe try to get some help you might need ? Or is it not help and it's simply attention? We'll never know or care .. Mark my words, homie. Scholars will be dissecting this thread in the years to come, long after we're all just corpses in the ground, rotting with our Dungeons and Dragons miniatures and shitty overpriced dungeon synth merch. And those scholars will ask themselves, "Did he need help, or was it all just for attention to get a reaction out of pretentious dungeon synth nerds that couldn't hack it anywhere else?" We'll just never know, homie. |
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Post by crystallogic13 on Aug 12, 2022 12:11:35 GMT -5
You started it very nicely but killed it at the "pretentious dungeon synth nerds that couldn't hack it anywhere else"   .. So I don't know about the damn future of this forum but present time scholars might draw some useful conclusions.. |
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Post by kenwprojects on Aug 12, 2022 13:53:15 GMT -5
You started it very nicely but killed it at the "pretentious dungeon synth nerds that couldn't hack it anywhere else" .. So I don't know about the damn future of this forum but present time scholars might draw some useful conclusions.. I have no idea. That's for greater men than me to figure out. I just play with my Dungeons and Dragons miniatures and Magic the Gathering cards and pretend it's all a bad dream while you hold me close and whisper sweet globalist propaganda into my ear. |
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Post by windgeist on Aug 12, 2022 14:10:02 GMT -5
Wow... This is the first time I witness drama in this forum. It wasn't my intention to spark this discussion with my post. I'm very sorry. kenwprojects Just a random thought on my side: I belive in the freedom of art and therefor I think it is your right to make controversal stuff like the album in question. If you don't intent to glorify bad stuff with your work it might be worth considering to put a disclaimer in the album description at least. Just to make your point clear. But nonetheless you have to expect, that some people might develop strong negative feelings against your piece of art. That is what makes it controversal. Engaging in this kind of discusion with this kind of attitude won't do you any good and harm your reputation as an artist. Do what ever you like with this advice but be assured it was given with best intentions in mind. Painter Maybe this particular compilation album could work for you as well: heimatderkatastrophe.bandcamp.com/album/hdk-113-warplandEspecially the song by Toad Sage is very epic and motivating, |
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Post by kenwprojects on Aug 12, 2022 14:59:16 GMT -5
Wow... This is the first time I witness drama in this forum. It wasn't my intention to spark this discussion with my post. I'm very sorry. kenwprojects Just a random thought on my side: I belive in the freedom of art and therefor I think it is your right to make controversal stuff like the album in question. If you don't intent to glorify bad stuff with your work it might be worth considering to put a disclaimer in the album description at least. Just to make your point clear. But nonetheless you have to expect, that some people might develop strong negative feelings against your piece of art. That is what makes it controversal. Engaging in this kind of discusion with this kind of attitude won't do you any good and harm your reputation as an artist. Do what ever you like with this advice but be assured it was given with best intentions in mind. Painter Maybe this particular compilation album could work for you as well: heimatderkatastrophe.bandcamp.com/album/hdk-113-warplandEspecially the song by Toad Sage is very epic and motivating, I appreciate your advice and I will add a disclaimer to the Panzram album for further clarification. Edit: disclaimer added |
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engraven
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Post by engraven on Aug 12, 2022 16:01:38 GMT -5
Wow... This is the first time I witness drama in this forum. It wasn't my intention to spark this discussion with my post. I'm very sorry. kenwprojects Just a random thought on my side: I belive in the freedom of art and therefor I think it is your right to make controversal stuff like the album in question. If you don't intent to glorify bad stuff with your work it might be worth considering to put a disclaimer in the album description at least. Just to make your point clear. But nonetheless you have to expect, that some people might develop strong negative feelings against your piece of art. That is what makes it controversal. Engaging in this kind of discusion with this kind of attitude won't do you any good and harm your reputation as an artist. Do what ever you like with this advice but be assured it was given with best intentions in mind. Painter Maybe this particular compilation album could work for you as well: heimatderkatastrophe.bandcamp.com/album/hdk-113-warplandEspecially the song by Toad Sage is very epic and motivating, I appreciate your advice and I will add a disclaimer to the Panzram album for further clarification. Edit: disclaimer added It's honestly pretty hilarious it played out in a thread titled "What Dungeon Synth do you listen to when working out?" but I think the end result is a positive one. There are far too many artists whose intention it is to absolutely glorify these types of things who put these images, words, and iconography in their work and give vague answers about bringing the darkness out into the light and examining the darkness of humanity and being against censorship and accusing others of trying to 'erase history,' blah blah blah, basically exactly what your initial responses were -- we see right through that shit with them. It is good to hear your intentions do not align with those I speak of -- I would just advise that you give thought to the fact your work is largely indistinguishable from those who have the exact opposite agenda as you, and how you might make your art speak more strongly that your actual message gets across and doesn't just come off as lazy attempts at shock value. |
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Post by kenwprojects on Aug 12, 2022 18:47:21 GMT -5
I appreciate your advice and I will add a disclaimer to the Panzram album for further clarification. Edit: disclaimer added It's honestly pretty hilarious it played out in a thread titled "What Dungeon Synth do you listen to when working out?" but I think the end result is a positive one. There are far too many artists whose intention it is to absolutely glorify these types of things who put these images, words, and iconography in their work and give vague answers about bringing the darkness out into the light and examining the darkness of humanity and being against censorship and accusing others of trying to 'erase history,' blah blah blah, basically exactly what your initial responses were -- we see right through that shit with them. It is good to hear your intentions do not align with those I speak of -- I would just advise that you give thought to the fact your work is largely indistinguishable from those who have the exact opposite agenda as you, and how you might make your art speak more strongly that your actual message gets across and doesn't just come off as lazy attempts at shock value. I've said and done all I can to make it clear on where I stand regarding Panzram and sick fucks like him. If that still isn't good enough for some people, then so be it. I'm proud of the album and I'm not going to apologize for it. Whatever other artists do that you deem questionable isn't my problem. I can only control what's in my power to change, and I'm going to keep that mindset going forward with whatever I release in the future, and that mainly will be including a disclaimer on any albums centered on a controversial figure. |
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.. So I don't know about the damn future of this forum but present time scholars might draw some useful conclusions..
i'm a newbie here, thanks for the approval!