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Feb 18, 2020 19:47:35 GMT -5
Post by thekeeper on Feb 18, 2020 19:47:35 GMT -5
Once again, I believe this is a great job, and will be a pattern and a paragon for the future, but as it happens with things done for the first time, it requires some discussion. I truly believe that it could be a work of ages if we all just discuss it a bit, for the things are slightly murky atm. I believe that the assumption of objective reasons is the best one, and personal tastes will always be highly questionable. Here's a couple of remarks: 1. "Let Mortal Heroes..." is a great album, and if anybody considers it to be the best one, I understand. I would probably say the same on some days. Still, the most important one - and by this I mean the one that inspired probably the biggest number of artists - is Minas Morgul OR Dol Guldur, but knowing history a bit, the earliest one usually is the most crucial. This will of course become obvious with time, after a few dozen interviews when artists reveal their inspirations, but I'm pretty sure it will not be Let Mortal Heroes. 2. How in the world would you justify the choice of Konjuro's Keep as representative to the genre at all? It looks more like a joke, and it has less than 50 hits on youtube. There is no way this is a paragon of anything or inspired anybody. 3. Same question for Xynfonica, how would justify that? 1 - I think for about the past year or so I've preferred Dol Guldur to Let Mortal Heroes. In terms of overall favorites, I see LMH cited as a favorite more often than most other albums to be honest. I see Stronghold cited quite often, too, but that one and the latest are actually my least favorite. I feel like the tone changed on that album in some way that just didn't click with me. I hear a lot of people cite that album as being the one that got them into the band. Haven't heard a whole lot of interviews with bands citing Summoning as an influence, but I'm sure there are lots. 2 - I forget which chart Konjuro's Keep is in, the midi and chip one? That's another case of gathering all the midi artists on one chart (I was choosing the computer-made roland soundcanvas midi sound, in particular, like guitarpro). I actually quite liked the Konjuro's Keep album, thought the composition was really interesting. I actually know who's behind it and they're quite the power house in terms of DS. It's less of a joke project and more of a fun project. 3 - Like Andrew said, that album is in the Insanity chart. Just put some of the most uncomfortable albums on that one. Would be interesting to update that chart now. Aldaron's "The Forest Path" would be an addition. I wonder if there's been any effort aside from the extremely error-prone RYM list of what people consider like the top 100 DS albums. Maybe if the Dungeon Codex really takes off (metal-archives-esque site for DS) and gets a review feature, we could figure that out. There's been some top album polls each year in the large FB group but you can vote for multiple artists in one go, so it's not super accurate.
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Feb 20, 2020 16:21:47 GMT -5
Post by dungeonsynthzine on Feb 20, 2020 16:21:47 GMT -5
1 - I think for about the past year or so I've preferred Dol Guldur to Let Mortal Heroes. In terms of overall favorites, I see LMH cited as a favorite more often than most other albums to be honest. I see Stronghold cited quite often, too, but that one and the latest are actually my least favorite. I feel like the tone changed on that album in some way that just didn't click with me. I hear a lot of people cite that album as being the one that got them into the band. Haven't heard a whole lot of interviews with bands citing Summoning as an influence, but I'm sure there are lots. 2 - I forget which chart Konjuro's Keep is in, the midi and chip one? That's another case of gathering all the midi artists on one chart (I was choosing the computer-made roland soundcanvas midi sound, in particular, like guitarpro). I actually quite liked the Konjuro's Keep album, thought the composition was really interesting. I actually know who's behind it and they're quite the power house in terms of DS. It's less of a joke project and more of a fun project. 3 - Like Andrew said, that album is in the Insanity chart. Just put some of the most uncomfortable albums on that one. Would be interesting to update that chart now. Aldaron's "The Forest Path" would be an addition. I wonder if there's been any effort aside from the extremely error-prone RYM list of what people consider like the top 100 DS albums. Maybe if the Dungeon Codex really takes off (metal-archives-esque site for DS) and gets a review feature, we could figure that out. There's been some top album polls each year in the large FB group but you can vote for multiple artists in one go, so it's not super accurate. I believe that ultimately any musical discussion comes down to objective vs subjective value. I've seen it happen like a thousand times, and am sure that so have most of us, since at heart we may be kinda children, but old horses in real;) And since subjective values are ultimately indisputable (I like something and that's it), discussing them is impossible.Thus we are left with objective value, which means assessing according to some rules. Over the course of musical discussion, some few values were named to answer the question what's important in music. In the end, the most important one seems to be how influential it was. The question now is, how do we rate how influencial anything is? First point is easy, we check how often they are cited as an inspiration. Second, and more important probably, we listen to music and look for influences. The more experienced the listener, the easier it gets. That's how I see things. Let me finish the first beer;) Now to details. With most bands the case is clear, and the earlier the crystalized material in certain style, the more important it is. That's why "Hammerheart" is more important than "Nordlands", "De Mysteriis..." than "Daemon", and early Sodom is more important than "M-16" (which I personally like more, but hey, that's just me), because the chances that they influenced more people are greater. There are always exceptions, of course, but bands rarely mature and record their best late in their careers, as a general rule of thumb. All in all, because I'm opening the second beer soon;)) My humble opinion is that the charts are a magnificent job, and much ahead of their time, and needed. However, the deeper I go, the more scratches there seem to be on the surface. And since somebody asked about essential 100 DS albums... How about we have a topic to discuss that? Like, you know, at some point we will have to stop being overly nice and have some fiery discussions;) unless I'm wrong of course.
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Feb 20, 2020 17:07:57 GMT -5
Post by crystallogic13 on Feb 20, 2020 17:07:57 GMT -5
... Let me finish the first beer;) ... All in all, because I'm opening the second beer soon;)) ... And since somebody asked about essential 100 DS albums... How about we have a topic to discuss that? Like, you know, at some point we will have to stop being overly nice and have some fiery discussions;) unless I'm wrong of course. Have one for the people here mate, I'll blaze on for ya since I'm of the stoner order Anyway, fire up a thread for a top 100 and i'm sure that will make many people including me dig into our libraries.. I'll even make a yearly list anyway so that would be a good kind of excuse to return in order to old stuff again!!
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Feb 21, 2020 11:47:21 GMT -5
Post by dungeonsynthzine on Feb 21, 2020 11:47:21 GMT -5
Have one for the people here mate, I'll blaze on for ya since I'm of the stoner order Anyway, fire up a thread for a top 100 and i'm sure that will make many people including me dig into our libraries.. I'll even make a yearly list anyway so that would be a good kind of excuse to return in order to old stuff again!! Honestly, if I were serious, I would say that 100 is just an exaggeration and bloated. This genre can do very well with a list of 30 or so iron classics, and there is a good reason for that. Judging albums that are younger than 5 yrs is inefficient, because we do not have proper distance to them and we cannot say how they did or did not influence other artists. And since 80% od DS life is about the last couple of years, the task could be a tad funny.
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Feb 25, 2020 8:22:13 GMT -5
Post by crystallogic13 on Feb 25, 2020 8:22:13 GMT -5
Have one for the people here mate, I'll blaze on for ya since I'm of the stoner order Anyway, fire up a thread for a top 100 and i'm sure that will make many people including me dig into our libraries.. I'll even make a yearly list anyway so that would be a good kind of excuse to return in order to old stuff again!! Honestly, if I were serious, I would say that 100 is just an exaggeration and bloated. This genre can do very well with a list of 30 or so iron classics, and there is a good reason for that. Judging albums that are younger than 5 yrs is inefficient, because we do not have proper distance to them and we cannot say how they did or did not influence other artists. And since 80% od DS life is about the last couple of years, the task could be a tad funny. Well, I'd be interested then to see a top 30 or any number anyone thinks is enough for the "iron classics" ! I strongly disagree though with your statement "albums that are younger than 5 yrs is inefficient, because we do not have proper distance to them and we cannot say how they did or did not influence other artists." since when I'm thinking of classics I think of them as musical masterpieces, since "influential" is a different term in my book and a different discussion .. But either way make a thread for classics n stuff and I'm sure there's gonna be interesting discussions!!
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Apr 22, 2020 2:27:03 GMT -5
Post by beeebon on Apr 22, 2020 2:27:03 GMT -5
I would be really interested in seeing what people would consider the essentials circa 2020
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Apr 22, 2020 3:42:24 GMT -5
Post by stormcrow on Apr 22, 2020 3:42:24 GMT -5
I would be really interested in seeing what people would consider the essentials circa 2020 way too soon, BUT we already have some serious contenders. The releases I like most by now are Silencio Permanente, The Forest of Yore and the split by Encloaked/Castle Zagyx/Mortwight. Also Arcana Liturgia came out with a very good album. just to know: I also released an album a week ago, if you want to listen/give feedback.
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Dec 13, 2020 18:40:57 GMT -5
Post by ShillelaghLaBeouf on Dec 13, 2020 18:40:57 GMT -5
I would be really interested in seeing what people would consider the essentials circa 2020 Thangorodrim - Prologue Sunken Grove - Binding Branches Hole Dweller - Returns to Roost Longsword - Sunken Dungeon Criptadel - The Goblin Market Ethereal Kingdom - Oath of Battle Quest Master - The Twelve Castles Hillsfar - Jewel of the Moonsea Lookfar - Beyond the Edge of the World Little Spells - The Forest Twigs Are My Wands Isegrimm & Γrnatorpet - The Heathen Kingdom Treasure Seeker- Quest for the Secrets Beyond Time Slime Golem - The Short But Touching Tale Of Slime Golem Vale Minstrel - Warden Of The Vale Forest Of Yore - Mythical Woodlands Witchsteel - Mountain of the Red Flame Forest Shrine - Forest Shrine FVRFVR - Bitmancer
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Jun 24, 2021 2:30:33 GMT -5
Post by MisterMan on Jun 24, 2021 2:30:33 GMT -5
Does anyone happen to have a copy of Yucahu - Invocation of the Ancient Deities? It's the only one on the avant-garde/outsider chart I can't seem to find, looks like it used to be on myspace.
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Jun 18, 2023 3:02:16 GMT -5
Post by maxgrody on Jun 18, 2023 3:02:16 GMT -5
Frog Synth? πΈ
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Jun 19, 2023 0:15:25 GMT -5
Post by crystallogic13 on Jun 19, 2023 0:15:25 GMT -5
Well if frog synth is the game I'm pretty sure some nice toad-themed DS would fit the bill talesundertheoak.bandcamp.com/music ! I'm pretty sure also there are more than a couple DS projects/releases with "Toad" used in the artist page but I'm not home to check my notes for recommendations on them.. Still, despite the humor you put in asking the frog synth question, , it's pretty easy to see the connection of toads/frogs n stuff with DS since it's swamps I think usually that these little strange creatures usually dwell and swamps are deeply rooted in DS aesthetics and thematics
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Aug 18, 2023 21:37:25 GMT -5
Post by kainatordeals on Aug 18, 2023 21:37:25 GMT -5
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Jan 22, 2024 7:02:40 GMT -5
Post by zuomak on Jan 22, 2024 7:02:40 GMT -5
The Old-School & Lo-Fi link is dead. Does anybody have a copy of the chart?
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Feb 16, 2024 20:07:10 GMT -5
Post by astralglade on Feb 16, 2024 20:07:10 GMT -5
The Old-School & Lo-Fi link is dead. Does anybody have a copy of the chart? Link is still dead, tragic!
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