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Post by ranseur on Dec 5, 2017 15:51:29 GMT -5
This came up on the facebook group and I was thinking it would be cool to get a list of the most gnarly lo fi albums. There's probably a bunch that I haven't heard and there are a few that I heard on youtube a while back but can't even remember the names. Some that were thrown up at the other group were Anger Of Gods - Barbarian Worship and Ashmadai - Symphonies for the Kings. I guess it might be a matter of opinion about which albums are really lo fi and which ones are kind of regular tape hiss oriented, but I was still wondering if anyone had other recommendations. I'm not as well versed in the older more obscure albums as a lot of you guys and I want to change that.
One reason I want to do a list for this is because I feel like these records put the more recent dungeon noise thing into a different perspective. Even though I do draw a line between lo fi and noise because they are different techniques that come from somewhat of a different cultural background (I mean noise coming from industrial), I still think it puts the new noisier albums into a historical line from 90s raw lo fi to Trollmann Av Ildtoppberg and Ungl'Unl'Rrlh'Chchch (in the 2000s) to dungeon noise. Some people might not care about that part of what I'm saying but I just think it makes it interesting.
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Post by andrewwerdna on Dec 6, 2017 6:36:02 GMT -5
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Post by ranseur on Dec 6, 2017 17:19:18 GMT -5
Different than what I was thinking yeah, but this one is killer. Never even heard of it. Real oddball one.
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Post by Morannon on Dec 31, 2017 16:22:07 GMT -5
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Post by garvalf on Jan 1, 2018 15:10:50 GMT -5
This Avox is indeed very very good!! Love at first listening!
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Post by thekeeper on Jan 5, 2018 10:52:16 GMT -5
I didn't really think Avox was particularly lo-fi. It's a pretty gamey sounding release, but the quality isn't too bad. I'll have to look through my tapes more closely, but these come to mind: Arcana Liturgia - MCCXXXI Bacchia Neraida - Dionysis (and the Ermis tape)Den - Eternally Travelling the LandscapesThese are all on my blog. The Trollheim tapes and some of the more DS Entwertung demos are pretty rough, but there's no audio of them online. Really, there isn't too much that reaches the harshness of Anger of Gods. I like to think that conceptually Dungeon Noise is a continuation and intentional exploration of the unintentional atmosphere caused by tape decay and bedroom recording quality of stuff like this. It's strange when some people say that some 90s artists didn't intend for things to sound as lo-fi or bedroom as they did, that they wanted to sound better but did with what they had, which may the case at times, but I feel like for dungeon noise fans that is part of the joy and charm of the music, only now it's deliberately harnessed as an instrumental/compositional component (I would say atmospheric too, but it's always been an atmospheric component) to the point of coining another term, and that the limitations are part of what makes a lot of old DS nostalgic sounding. I've never been turned off by a 90s tape from it being too rough.
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Post by nahadoth on Jan 5, 2018 11:42:18 GMT -5
I like to think that conceptually Dungeon Noise is a continuation and intentional exploration of the unintentional atmosphere caused by tape decay and bedroom recording quality of stuff like this. It's strange when some people say that some 90s artists didn't intend for things to sound as lo-fi or bedroom as they did, that they wanted to sound better but did with what they had, which may the case at times, but I feel like for dungeon noise fans that is part of the joy and charm of the music, only now it's deliberately harnessed as an instrumental/compositional component (I would say atmospheric too, but it's always been an atmospheric component) to the point of coining another term, and that the limitations are part of what makes a lot of old DS nostalgic sounding. I've never been turned off by a 90s tape from it being too rough. Yeah - I think Bard is one of the people who says that most often, about wishing things sounded better or less lo-fi - I love the messiness on the Cernunnos Woods compilation I have, and I think it would be very difficult to make music with that kind of vibe with better quality recording software or instruments. I guess that's the joy of accidents. Ultimately, this is why I don't understand the dismissal of Dungeon Noise. Hi-fi projects took a different element of the original template of DS and developed that, but I don't think dungeon noise has totally ignored melody - just focused their development on a different aspect of the original template.
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Post by Tyrannus on Jan 5, 2018 12:39:11 GMT -5
I like to think that conceptually Dungeon Noise is a continuation and intentional exploration of the unintentional atmosphere caused by tape decay and bedroom recording quality of stuff like this. It's strange when some people say that some 90s artists didn't intend for things to sound as lo-fi or bedroom as they did, that they wanted to sound better but did with what they had, which may the case at times, but I feel like for dungeon noise fans that is part of the joy and charm of the music, only now it's deliberately harnessed as an instrumental/compositional component (I would say atmospheric too, but it's always been an atmospheric component) to the point of coining another term, and that the limitations are part of what makes a lot of old DS nostalgic sounding. I've never been turned off by a 90s tape from it being too rough. Yeah - I think Bard is one of the people who says that most often, about wishing things sounded better or less lo-fi - I love the messiness on the Cernunnos Woods compilation I have, and I think it would be very difficult to make music with that kind of vibe with better quality recording software or instruments. I guess that's the joy of accidents. Ultimately, this is why I don't understand the dismissal of Dungeon Noise. Hi-fi projects took a different element of the original template of DS and developed that, but I don't think dungeon noise has totally ignored melody - just focused their development on a different aspect of the original template. The dismissal is, of course, ill-informed but there’s nothing to be done. I think reducing the accessibility in a way keeps it in a more perma-niche perma-obscure state, in a much more natural way than telling people what they made isn’t good enough. I think DN is destined for a truly dungeonesque existence in perpetual darkness, and I’m quite pleased about that. The mere length of time it takes to explain to the average person what DN is should be prohibitive enough, haha.
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Post by thekeeper on Jan 5, 2018 13:23:54 GMT -5
I like to think that conceptually Dungeon Noise is a continuation and intentional exploration of the unintentional atmosphere caused by tape decay and bedroom recording quality of stuff like this. It's strange when some people say that some 90s artists didn't intend for things to sound as lo-fi or bedroom as they did, that they wanted to sound better but did with what they had, which may the case at times, but I feel like for dungeon noise fans that is part of the joy and charm of the music, only now it's deliberately harnessed as an instrumental/compositional component (I would say atmospheric too, but it's always been an atmospheric component) to the point of coining another term, and that the limitations are part of what makes a lot of old DS nostalgic sounding. I've never been turned off by a 90s tape from it being too rough. Yeah - I think Bard is one of the people who says that most often, about wishing things sounded better or less lo-fi - I love the messiness on the Cernunnos Woods compilation I have, and I think it would be very difficult to make music with that kind of vibe with better quality recording software or instruments. I guess that's the joy of accidents. Ultimately, this is why I don't understand the dismissal of Dungeon Noise. Hi-fi projects took a different element of the original template of DS and developed that, but I don't think dungeon noise has totally ignored melody - just focused their development on a different aspect of the original template. Yeah I feel like I read that from him once on FB or something, but also things released through DAP aren't all the most hi-fi albums, so I think it really depends on the release for some people. I think the 'make it sound bad on purpose' thing is sometimes poorly executed, but it also depends on someone's definition of 'bad'. I've yet to hear a DS release where I've thought "this would've been more enjoyable if it had been better produced". Honestly, some people put a lot of work into achieving just the right lo-fi sound they want. It's not all recorded on a cell phone from the other room, ha. Like xerox art too, sometimes you really have to know the tricks to get things to look real decayed.
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Post by ranseur on Jan 10, 2018 15:47:27 GMT -5
I didn't really think Avox was particularly lo-fi. It's a pretty gamey sounding release, but the quality isn't too bad. I'll have to look through my tapes more closely, but these come to mind: Arcana Liturgia - MCCXXXI Bacchia Neraida - Dionysis (and the Ermis tape)Den - Eternally Travelling the LandscapesThese are all on my blog. The Trollheim tapes and some of the more DS Entwertung demos are pretty rough, but there's no audio of them online. Really, there isn't too much that reaches the harshness of Anger of Gods. I like to think that conceptually Dungeon Noise is a continuation and intentional exploration of the unintentional atmosphere caused by tape decay and bedroom recording quality of stuff like this. It's strange when some people say that some 90s artists didn't intend for things to sound as lo-fi or bedroom as they did, that they wanted to sound better but did with what they had, which may the case at times, but I feel like for dungeon noise fans that is part of the joy and charm of the music, only now it's deliberately harnessed as an instrumental/compositional component (I would say atmospheric too, but it's always been an atmospheric component) to the point of coining another term, and that the limitations are part of what makes a lot of old DS nostalgic sounding. I've never been turned off by a 90s tape from it being too rough. Some pretty cool ones. Hopefully we'll be able to find some more. I'm especially hoping at some point some really old raw ones that are totally instrumental will show up. Haven't found as many like that. But I'm glad you guys are digging what I'm saying with the dungeon noise thing. I don't think it's much of a reach at all, but some will disagree I'm sure. I was suprised when bard said that too since his albums were some of the weirdest and most raw but he's entitled to his point of view. It's his stuff that's kind of the line in the sand for me, but what I really want is early stuff that's even more lo fi. That avox record is pretty good but yeah, I'm looking for stuff with tape hiss or whatever.
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Post by lucan on Sept 30, 2020 13:33:45 GMT -5
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Post by skirmisher on Oct 1, 2020 1:37:14 GMT -5
Some of my favorites already mentioned here but I'll try and think of new ones. Lo-fi is a difficult term since everyone seems to use it to describe different things. To me lo-fi brings to mind a narrow frequency response, especially the lack of treble and I guess low end too but mostly treble. I guess noise, distortion, artifacts and a warped frequency response can all be called low fidelity. Anyways, here are some of my favorite 90's releases that I consider more or less lo-fi: Arthame - Fiendish Symphonies (Finland, 1998)Bachus - Orgy (Belarus, 1998)Laïlheb - Old Incantations & Forbidden Prayers (France, 1996)
Lamentation - Fullmoon Over Faerhaaven (Greece, 1995)Lord Wolf - Darklands of Hate (Greece, 1998)Spawn - For the Blood is the Life (Italy, 1996)
Valor - La Lune Noire (Finland, 1996)Vale of Pnath - Hymn of the Plants (USA, 1998)
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Post by lucan on Oct 2, 2020 8:33:09 GMT -5
Blod Besvimelse (ex wife of Trollheim and entwertung guy) has some stuff that might fall into this category
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