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Post by outofseason on May 23, 2018 13:20:12 GMT -5
Good thread! I was speaking about this some days ago with another DS musician. For me, releasing albums like a rifle gun is not so good as it may seem. Much in terms of quality and credibility. I prefer artists which come out with new stuff once in a year, think about Thangorodrim. He releases one album in a lifetime, but each one is pure gold. Plus, this flow of DS releases is completely out of control and fills the marketplace in a bad way...the same happened in the late 80s with glam/hair metal bands...that excess of releases led to overload, and obviously to suicide for the metal industry. Listeners are disoriented, just because it's impossible to listen to ALL. And, worse, some worth-to-listen artists risk to be missed or to be forgotten after a few hours. That's just my point of view.... different opinions are welcome Agreed 100% I agree completely with this. Treat it like a band would - do bands release 5-6-7 albums a year? Just because a DS act is one person making music digitally (most of the time) that doesnt mean that you shouldnt spend a long time crafting it and refining, getting opinions of drafts, re-working, listening in the car, going back and make changes and think how it could be better etc. I would like to see more GREAT albums in a lower quantity that it shines through how much work was put into it, versus a high quantity of 'decent' or 'good' albums that obviously were not treated the same way and cranked out one after another. As a side note that I dont think anyone mentioned yet - as a label owner it really sucks when you agree to do a release and the artist has 'rapid fire' another one off before you even have a chance to get the physical of the 1st one out. It kills all momentum that 1st one had. It also sometimes takes a few months to sell out of a release if I do 100+ copies, so ideally there is no new album released until AFTER the physical has sold out and there is no more demand to it. I have started to have agreements with artists that they will not release another album until 'X' amount of months after the tape is released because of this.
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Post by AndruJorj on May 23, 2018 14:35:11 GMT -5
I agree completely with this. Treat it like a band would - do bands release 5-6-7 albums a year? My punk band has six releases since October 31, 2017. disaxis.bandcamp.com
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Post by outofseason on May 24, 2018 11:06:56 GMT -5
I agree completely with this. Treat it like a band would - do bands release 5-6-7 albums a year? My punk band has six releases since October 31, 2017. disaxis.bandcamp.comI get your point, but that is obviously an exception rather than the general rule. The majority of bands do not make 6-7 releases in 8 months. They make one record every ~2 years.
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Post by Tyrannus on May 24, 2018 13:11:34 GMT -5
Hereโs a related question, should artists keep the desires and expectations of their audience in mind when making DS? If itโs as personal of a genre as we generally claim, wouldnโt it be odd to base your release rate on what other people want? Is it right to compare it to more commercialized genres? Alternatively, does making a โquality releaseโ necessarily involve a lot of time and planning? Might an improvised or minimal piece be potentially more fun to make, or be a more personal creative experience? I donโt know exactly how I feel, but I do know that a lot of releases I like are not necessarily the most polished of releases, and often theyโll even say in their description that it was all played live or made in a certain short amount of time.
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Post by toodarkpark on May 24, 2018 15:46:01 GMT -5
Hereโs a related question, should artists keep the desires and expectations of their audience in mind when making DS? If itโs as personal of a genre as we generally claim, wouldnโt it be odd to base your release rate on what other people want? Is it right to compare it to more commercialized genres? Alternatively, does making a โquality releaseโ necessarily involve a lot of time and planning? Might an improvised or minimal piece be potentially more fun to make, or be a more personal creative experience? I donโt know exactly how I feel, but I do know that a lot of releases I like are not necessarily the most polished of releases, and often theyโll even say in their description that it was all played live or made in a certain short amount of time. 1. I think any artist wants their output appreciated and that this may factor in what they do. 2. Agreed on the planning,when your piece feels right it's right no matter how long you've spent on it. With metal at least I often prefer the rougher demos to the actual recording due to the passion I can feel went into that recording.
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Post by stormcrow on May 25, 2018 2:05:25 GMT -5
Hereโs a related question, should artists keep the desires and expectations of their audience in mind when making DS? If itโs as personal of a genre as we generally claim, wouldnโt it be odd to base your release rate on what other people want? Is it right to compare it to more commercialized genres? Alternatively, does making a โquality releaseโ necessarily involve a lot of time and planning? Might an improvised or minimal piece be potentially more fun to make, or be a more personal creative experience? I donโt know exactly how I feel, but I do know that a lot of releases I like are not necessarily the most polished of releases, and often theyโll even say in their description that it was all played live or made in a certain short amount of time. good point! I agree with this, but let me tell you I was not speaking strictly about this. My thoughts were much about "let an album live its life", say, giving a product the chance to be appreciated or not, to become a classic or to be forgotten. It's quite impossibile for the audience to listen to an album more than once, and isn't good at all. With all these releases (think AT LEAST 5-6 a day, unbelievable numbers!) there won't be classics anymore. There will be just the DS hype. Until it works. Just another thing: I have recorded another full album (circa an hour of music!) while recording my last one, but I think it's not so healthy to release it after a few weeks or a few months after "The Forgotten Tomb of Yshnak". Maybe, I'll write in the next album notes that it was recorded in Winter 2017/2018, during the sessions fo TFTOY
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Post by poppet108 on May 25, 2018 8:57:40 GMT -5
I release my albums generally per month, so I can have a constant stream of creative stuff to work on. However, it's generally good to give space for albums to breathe so they can be remembered. It really depends on the person. If you're a perfectionist, then it would be better to wait, but if you're someone who likes to create, create, create like me, then it can be different.
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Post by dmr on May 27, 2018 21:55:06 GMT -5
DS for me needs to sink in to take me away to a different place, so high outputs are not for me most of the time. Also I'm a collector so I prefer a physical product always. Should a project hold their works back from public consumption simply because some of the public is overwhelmed by the amount of new material being released? Yes. Erang is my favorite modern dungeon synth artist, but I haven't listened to a new album of his in years. After the seventh album (in three years), I hit my limit. He probably has twice as many albums by now. I haven't gotten tired of those first seven yet, and still listen to them regularly. But there comes a point when enough is enough. I think no more than one full-length album a year (and maybe an EP or two) is best.
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Post by crystallogic13 on May 28, 2018 12:52:43 GMT -5
Well dmr , I think Erang is certainly not a fitting example of what we're discussing here. I think you are seriously missing out on not listening to his later albums, Synthwave included, but it's up to you. But the discussion here is about people who release (their right as I've said) "raw" or improvised stuff at a rate of every month or so. I personally I'm very happy with each and every release from the likes of Erang, Lord Lovidicus , Ranseur and a lot others I forget as all of them are refined and mature as I perceive them.
PErsonally as I said as long as the creator might never release something I always prefer it to be released at any state, creativity should not be hold back. On the other hand , I also stay away from many stuff are improvised or general ambience tagged dungeon synth but that's another story.
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Post by kktz on May 28, 2018 13:29:58 GMT -5
Just checking your latest album, I am into old school crust sound for decades and it is really good.
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Post by AndruJorj on May 28, 2018 17:03:08 GMT -5
Just checking your latest album, I am into old school crust sound for decades and it is really good. Thanks for listening. Disaxis doesn't get much attention and has a very small fan base because it's a solo project, and I don't play live. Share it with anyone who might like the music.
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Post by andrewwerdna on May 30, 2018 7:53:46 GMT -5
I don't think high output is a problem as long as one is not aggressive with their promotion. I've seen craftsmanship still being top notch with rapid releases. However I'd say for those artists who are more prolific, maybe look to Chaucerian Myth - Canterbury Tales as an example of how not to overwhelm listeners, makes it a single simple purchase and download. I get the feeling most dungeon synth listeners can handle epic album lengths.
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Post by thekeeper on Jun 14, 2018 9:53:02 GMT -5
I don't really like when artists put out a lot of releases in shorter periods of time. There are exceptions of course, like A Letter for Carmilla (you could say Sequestered Keep too, but honestly a lot of it sounds the same to me), but usually what's being put out too quickly can't get its proper listening time before the next release arrives. I think listeners take to artists more when they can completely digest their music and build interest. Now, this isn't to say that people shouldn't write often, but I think publishing/release time comes too soon. Like andrewwerdna said, we can handle long releases without a problem. I think a good practice would be to let a planned release sit for at least two weeks after finishing it, if only to ensure yourself that what you've made is satisfactory by your own standards and you're not just over excited about finishing something that you rushed without realizing it. I'm with Tyrannus in that some of my favorites are pretty rough around the edges and I like an honest unpolished spirit, but I'd like to able to keep up with an artists catalog too. I would say one EP a month is a fair maximum, otherwise I'll probably just starting skipping over things.
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Post by theunborn on Jul 1, 2018 9:18:45 GMT -5
....or do you prefer to ingratiate yourself in the music for a long period of time before migrating to fresher pastures? This, easily.
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Post by skaventhrone on Jul 1, 2018 18:18:52 GMT -5
There's no rules about any of this, but I'd take a project more seriously that take their time composing and releasing music. Sometimes bands or projects who want to explore a variety of sounds, like Crowhurst, will pump out a whole lot of albums that all have different musical approaches. If you're just releasing handfuls of albums in the same genre - using the same equipment, imagery, style, sounds, that's like playing the same venue every weekend, with a slightly different set, people will tire of it really quickly. But the same 3 people might be up the front for your set and that's who you're performing to But now I'm gonna go check out Aufhocker and see if I like it
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