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Post by Digol on Apr 21, 2020 4:40:32 GMT -5
Thanks crystallogic13 and thekeeper - I have a very low tolerance for social media stuff in general (the forum here is more my speed), so I'll consider myself duly warned, but keep an eye on it for anything interesting. Sorry for going off topic, but gotta say your avatar fits so perfectly to your last two posts Ha! I find it to be a consistently appropriate mood!
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Post by DieuxDesCimetieres on Jun 8, 2020 23:29:36 GMT -5
Not related to Dungeon Synth groups, but it seems like Facebook itself is spiralling into chaos. Apparently just about every skinhead has been blocked from the site - regardless of skin color or political leanings.
Way to go, now that fixes years and years and years of allowing fake news, hatemongering, racism, anti-vaxxer propaganda and tons of other bullshit.
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Post by thekeeper on Jun 9, 2020 16:51:40 GMT -5
Does this mean SHARPs, too?
I heard from a couple people that things they've posted in the past regarding Burzum were deleted as well, so could be a site-wide Burzum ban. I'm betting they just added some new filters to their flag-bot programs and it'll go quite badly with things getting removed that have no reason to be removed.
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Post by DieuxDesCimetieres on Jun 9, 2020 23:45:00 GMT -5
Does this mean SHARPs, too? Yeah, it meant everyone! Lots of SHARP's, RASH's, and POC skinheads got the boot. I'm wagering it was some kind of bug in Facebook's AI - I'm pretty sure they have some kind of machine learning behind all of that - and not a political thing. But it does highlight how vulnerable we are. On a whim, Facebook can obliterate the online presences of entire communities and scenes. So many music scenes, from Oi! to DS, rely very heavily on Facebook: we communicate new releases, distros update their stocks, gigs and events are announced there, etc. In one fell swoop, Facebook can silence all of that should they so choose. And if they'd carry on to WhatsApp and Instagram... even more total damage. It's a good thing a place such as this forum exists, outside the corporate clutches of Facebook.
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Post by Båvingr on Jun 10, 2020 6:39:43 GMT -5
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Post by shalashaska on Sept 25, 2020 13:51:46 GMT -5
I've found the line between "politics" and "drama" is very blurry on Facebook (and I imagine other social media sites) and the two usually intersect. I have seen the most manipulative, abusive and generally abhorrent people be tolerated (even welcomed) in certain communities because they were part of the "in-crowd" or because they could keep their dirty laundry away from other group members for long enough. Of course I've also seen plenty of groups kick problematic members quickly but it always felt like the worst offenders could stay so long as they sucked up to the right people. Either way, it's really hard to have an actual conversation with people on Facebook - usually it devolves into a screaming match where the winner is determined by who has fewer "haha" reacts.
At the same time, when we talk about art we often like to divorce it from the real world and from whoever made it, particularly if we don't like that person or if it isn't helpful to whatever narrative we're telling. In reality, I believe art is a reflection of the artist and the world that artist inhabits. Nothing should get a free-pass because "it's just a movie/book/album/painting". I think confronting how art feeds into our beliefs and how our beliefs feed into both the art we create and seek out is something everyone should do from time to time and that we should discuss that with others too. Of course I don't want every single discussion on this forum and elsewhere to devolve into a half-baked discussion on politics but I think sometimes (particularly with certain artists) to not at least mention how their art has fed into or been affected by politics devalues them.
I don't want to drag anyone's name through the mud for listening to Burzum (as an example), particularly because I personally listen to Varg's music a lot and think it's essential to understand how dungeon synth developed. At the same time, I think it'd be good to to sometimes recognise during discussions of Burzum and Varg's other projects how his views and personal opinions have coloured his work. For example, Myfarog has three "races" and all three of them play into various ethnic stereotypes, some of them being far more harmful than others. It's also very clear that this reading of the text was intentional and Varg was trying to impart a message through how he designed the book. I can support that reading of the text with various statements Varg has made on "races" in our own world, as well as comments Varg has made about Myfarog. If you don't want to participate in that side of the discussion for whatever reason, that's perfectly okay but I think trying to shut down such discussions ultimately hurt everyone in the long run.
Anyway, that's my rambling take. Sometimes it's helpful to remember we're all ultimately here to talk about a genre of music we love and civility goes a long way.
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Post by skirmisher on Sept 27, 2020 13:11:24 GMT -5
Does this mean SHARPs, too? Yeah, it meant everyone! Lots of SHARP's, RASH's, and POC skinheads got the boot. I'm wagering it was some kind of bug in Facebook's AI - I'm pretty sure they have some kind of machine learning behind all of that - and not a political thing. But it does highlight how vulnerable we are. On a whim, Facebook can obliterate the online presences of entire communities and scenes. So many music scenes, from Oi! to DS, rely very heavily on Facebook: we communicate new releases, distros update their stocks, gigs and events are announced there, etc. In one fell swoop, Facebook can silence all of that should they so choose. And if they'd carry on to WhatsApp and Instagram... even more total damage. It's a good thing a place such as this forum exists, outside the corporate clutches of Facebook. I think it's a blessing if Facebook decides to do something like this. People would be forced to find proper venues for communication.
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