Post by Telaestheticist on Nov 8, 2019 21:26:00 GMT -5
In addition to my love of Dungeon Synth, I would consider myself a culture nerd and an advocate of subcultures. I've always been fascinated with the inner-workings of different communities, and the people and aesthetics that define them. Aside from music creation and poetry I often express my passions for subculture through motifs, graphics, and fonts, and I've found that I really enjoy the minimalism of vector art as a whole. As a related hobby, I also really enjoy vexiollology, and have endeavored to create flags for various purposes in the past. Recently I decided to try to create flags for alternative subcultures, and some of my own ideas about the unifying motifs of Dungeon Synth came to the fore. The core symbol I've used on this flag is the medieval tower, which I see as ubiquitous in Dungeon Synth aesthetics. I also think that in addition to any small usage a flag like mine could get, jewelry could be made using medieval towers and castle imagery. With this in mind, I think that the rook chess piece could be repurposed into keychains and pendants to subtly broadcast interest in Dungeon Synth, or at the very least start up an interesting conversation. I'd love to hear any thoughts you all might have about the flag, or any other symbols you might think are relevant to discuss.
Post by crystallogic13 on Nov 9, 2019 15:41:46 GMT -5
Nice flag mate, great thing that music brings forth creativity in you and in all of us in various way, drawing, writing anything really is enhanced by the atmospheres and aesthetics of the music you choose to listen to..
Again, good flag, do some more, maybe more minimal and vector even!!
The shield with castle is great & I like the idea of the rook as a general representation, but not the b/g cross for two reasons:
1. whether you like it or not, crosses are associated with Christianity, & DS is...not that, except in certain sub-sub-genres
2. It's a very "ordered" shape; DS is a much more free & open genre/aesthetic that often uses departure from rigid order as both musical & visual ideas
I don't know what would make more sense to me, though. Maybe a simple mountain-esque zig-zag? A simple diagonal two-tone?
I'm glad you liked the idea of the rook as a general representation. I think it's valuable moving forward. As far as the use of the cross is concerned, I can definitely respect your reservations about it. I'm a traditional polytheist myself and there are definitely Christian themes in media that can make things difficult to deal with at times. Like it or not, European flag design is heavily informed by Christian tradition, so it can be difficult to get around some of those associations in vexillology. That said, I think it's worth noting that crosses have all kinds of other associations in lots of different cultures, including Pre-Christian Pagan traditions, East Asian, African, and Amerindian. The Bolgar Cross in particular has been found as early as Neolithic times. Moreover, Dungeon Synth draws heavily from Medieval themes. It is unavoidable that some of those associations, though not specifically Christian, reference the religious and cultural reality of the time. It is of course the case that the Middle Ages was also a time of a lot of ambiguity, and a lot of Pagan traditions existed alongside Christian ones even centuries later. I think that the relationships that people have to the cultural and historical aspects of Dungeon Synth are quite diverse, much as they are in the Black Metal scene that helped to spawn it. Now as far as the relationship to order is concerned, I can't say that I agree with you there. Though I've certainly seen some rather chaotic aesthetic elements in Dungeon Synth I wouldn't say that the whole aesthetic is completely abstract. A great deal of Medieval aesthetics is quite ordered, and though you can argue that it would be less polished or refined than in later European eras, there was definitely a lot of structure in Medieval works of art. All that said, I think there are definitely other motifs that can be tried with this flag, including other varieties of striping in both the vertical, horizontal, and diagonal. Speaking for myself though, I prefer symmetry, so I'm far less inclined to use a zig-zag - particularly with a vertical shield on the flag. I can definitely try out other styles though if there is more input from this forum, but I honestly don't think other motifs fit quite as well as the existing arrangement.
I just don't see neither semantic nor artistic meaning it could render. Leaving aside Christian connotations (cross is not Christian symbol in its origin, and not only Christian symbol in its everyday use), what are the meaning of it? Cardinal points? DS for everyone in Arctic, Antarctic, Orient and Occident? Well, in fact it looks like a tribute to some standard flag image coming to mind with the word 'flag'. To some mind, I'd say, not to every one.
Moreover, the different shades of grey are not heraldic colors.
Last Edit: Apr 25, 2020 17:45:56 GMT -5 by Flagris