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Post by thescientist on Nov 14, 2020 14:51:25 GMT -5
Hello!
I'm thescientist also known as Freewave! 
So we created a Dungeon Synth set awhile back for our larger project the RYM Box Set Project, a series of detailed lists and playlists for ALL music genres that's been running for 11+years. When we started that set we had no idea of how big the DS scene would get. If you check out that set you'll see a LOT more subgenres on the bottom of it such as:
Which we all assembled lists for, mainly thanks to JessiEye who compiled most of those for the project. Picking a track selection from each essential release and making it onto a cd length playlist.
While he's hard at work with life and on some more exotic upcoming subgenre sets....(Dwarven Synth, Dino Synth, Goblin Synth) he's shown less interest to some of the more popular subgenres of DS. Such as:
I've seen the essential charts for those top 2 here, and obviously those other lists i attached do a good job of assembling a lot of releases, but I'd like to put out rym box sets using our format (chronological, a great track selection from each, comments, links, anything else, in a cd length) to complete our DS side of the project. Looking to see if we could get assistance from anyone interested in taking those on those from an expert like JessiEye did, to continue the series, and do it well. Which is why I'm here.  |
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Post by crystallogic13 on Nov 14, 2020 15:15:59 GMT -5
Welcome thescientis!! Although the fact that I'm stoned probably affects me to completely comprehend what exactly is RYM box, thank to the contributor(s) for assembling these playlists!! I believe playlist is like essential if you're serious about your time, I personally keep my own local .m3u playlists (using winamp) and after 4+ years of maintaining my main list of "best" DS tracks and consisting of more than 5000+++ songs, I reap the rewards by listening only my favorites in one almost infinite playlist, always curated, always sharpened, always strengthened!! Regards and welcome again!!
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Post by thescientist on Nov 14, 2020 16:07:22 GMT -5
Welcome thescientis!! Although the fact that I'm stoned probably affects me to completely comprehend what exactly is RYM box, thank to the contributor(s) for assembling these playlists!! I believe playlist is like essential if you're serious about your time, I personally keep my own local .m3u playlists (using winamp) and after 4+ years of maintaining my main list of "best" DS tracks and consisting of more than 5000+++ songs, I reap the rewards by listening only my favorites in one almost infinite playlist, always curated, always sharpened, always strengthened!! Regards and welcome again!! Sounds like a proper way to do it! Congrats! 
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Post by shalashaska on Nov 14, 2020 20:27:02 GMT -5
I'd better save some of these, they look amazing! I've been struggling to pick-up new dungeon synth to listen to. These seem like the perfect way to pick up some new and interesting stuff.
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Post by thescientist on Nov 14, 2020 20:37:43 GMT -5
I'd better save some of these, they look amazing! I've been struggling to pick-up new dungeon synth to listen to. These seem like the perfect way to pick up some new and interesting stuff.
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Post by thescientist on Dec 1, 2020 10:27:04 GMT -5
Still awaiting an updated and expanded Pumpkin synth set / mix. We did just get a Dungeon Rap set. Youtube coming i believe.
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Post by Sargeburt on Dec 1, 2020 16:18:45 GMT -5
I don't want to sound petty but I was wondering if you've ever asked any of the artists if they'd like to be part of this project.
Not to mention I wonder if you've ever contacted one of the artists to see if their music should be available on your YT channel? Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against this type of project.
In itself, I think it's great that you want to categorize certain branches of this music and make a more accessible route available to everyone. But apparently you didn't bother to contact me about my project and that's why this question arises for myself. And with all due respect, this topic came up in another thread (which concerned a different channel) in this forum and also btw, DSA always makes the effort to contact every artist whether he is allowed to upload the music of specific musicians or not. It would be nice if you could explain your project more transparently or what sense does it pursue? Does it serve purely to complete an archive or do you want to pay tribute to the minds behind this kind of art which ultimately serves to support the works shown? Please do not take my post as an attack or perhaps negative. I just don't fully understand what your aim is and it would be worth explaining in itself how exactly your work is going on here.
What is that supposed to do?
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Post by thescientist on Dec 7, 2020 12:29:02 GMT -5
So answering your questions hopefully....
The project is to do "best of's" or "comprehensive playlists" to highlight not only the essential artists for every genre, subgenre, scene, or movement but albums and even suggested tracks. It's about as easy a way to get into a genre as it gets and is a chronological mixtape with a purpose. As stated part of that was to cover the DS scene in depth just as we do other genres. I did spend a chunk of 2018 actually hanging out within the Synthwave community and spending much additional time there investigating and chronicling what I found and making some essential charts and playlists that were quite exhaustive and a blog to go with it. That has been the extent of going directly TO a community and trying to be involved with such lists. While some smaller artists were very supportive, others were very mute on the subject or assitance. Synthwave is a tight knit community of fans and artists alike which isn't always the case. But no one objected to the free publicity of their music and the scene, fans really appreciated it, although some thought our overview was overkill.
As stated our project is a specific template, applies as wide a net as music itself, is multi-author, and coming up on 12 years now. BUT At its simplest, its just a chronological list, observations and summaries of scenes and genres, and then a playlist to go along with it. Not too far off from a wikipedia concept. Since a ton of DS artists don't upload individual tracks in these cases we made mixtapes for mixcloud and youtube and credited all who were included. And those selections from each artist are just one track we especially liked and fit the theme. JessiEye has done most of the DS sets so far. The Dungeon Noise set was done by a few different rym members. Like I stated there are some bigger subgenres of DS we haven't tackled yet and would like to. Also if we missed some essentials on prior sets, we'd always like to get feedback. If that involves the community and even some artists as part of that then that's great.
This actually IS the community outreach I am attempting now and hopefully a positive one. I'm not a fan of not crediting tracks or artists on mixtapes or dj mixes, even though that happens all the time on youtube and mixcloud. Which is why we did credit in the list, mixes, and the playlists and that should both spread interest in these styles and the artists and releases. We're not a bootleg / rogue promo channel nor much of a network either. Hopefully I've done good of crediting and supporting, short of individually reaching out to every artist included, which sorry would be a logistical nightmare but also would improve the support of our efforts. As stated I'M not the guy making THESE DS sets, but I work with all the people on rateyourmusic database (where the RYM comes from) who DO and who make lists, add music information to the database, and drum up support for artists and releases in their own way.
Hopefully that answers your questions and is seen as a good thing. I've made music on my own too and dealt with image permissions, sample credits, copyright concerns, etc and I know the concerns from a musician's point of view and wouldn't want to do anything I would object to either. If someone included my track in a mixtape or dj mix, remixed me with credit, or mentioned me in an article, I'd be thrilled with that, not upset.
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Post by spidrax on Dec 8, 2020 15:09:53 GMT -5
Thanks very much for putting these together! I'm still very new to the genre, and it's very overwhelming - there's so much to explore, and the sounds vary quite a lot from style to style. These lists are really helping me out. Dungeon Synth is quickly becoming my favorite genre. And the fact that most of it is available in FLAC for cheap at Bandcamp is fantastic |
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Post by Sargeburt on Dec 15, 2020 16:00:25 GMT -5
Thank you very much for your really detailed description of this project. My post was perhaps a bit too badly worded, but now that I fully understand what you want to achieve with it, I would like to express myself not only as a musician, but also as a collector and lover of this type of music. Of course I think it's great that you and J. are trying to stand up here.
From a subjective point of view, I have to tell you that for years I have seen rym as a very ambiguous thing, therefore my rather negative question before in this thread. This is because, regardless of whether it concerns lists, reviews or the like, I got so much garbage to read that the site was simply suspect.
It just struck me that there were a bunch of people hanging around on this platform who rate classics like Mortiis, Depressive Silence or Lamentation negatively but value their own weaboo music highly in return, hence my skepticism. Of course, I have no insight into how you and the rym community followed, rated, listed and reviewed your stuff because what I saw superficially about it scared me off. Maybe you can change my mind about it or give me a different view of it. To this day, I only see rym as an honestly untrustworthy platform. Objectively speaking, you should perhaps add a timestamp to your youtube uploads.
Isn't that essential for every mix? In addition, it would not be too much to ask for a link to artists such as Ranseur, Vampire Tower or Lamp of Murmuur. It's only a google link away, then copy / paste. You put your rym link in the description, why not the paths of the musicians? That's just what I can't understand. You also have the remark "want a copy" with a note about the discord on your Dungeon Noise youtube upload. Do you then get a digital mix tape? Did you ask Ebriach if they wanted that? Did you ask The IX Key if they want that? Even if you get a lot of approval, not everyone is happy to be categorized by you. And this respect should be questioned. Even if you think you are doing something for the community, wants the person behind it or is it more important to you to throw everything that is available in lists?
Don't give a shit whether the person behind it actually wants it or not?
Maybe this is the reason why the community do not get all the releases...? To say it politely: Please remove me from your youtube upload "vampyric dungeon synth - Letter fro Carmilla - Coffin 4" ... (your spelling.) By the way, I think it's great when people who drown themselves in music feel the need to share it.
I also think it's great when it appears in lists or when you rate them. I also love proper ratings or reviews because they have the potential for improvement.
The only sad thing is this half-baked shit that nobody needs.
And at the end of the day, dungeon synth is a journey for everyone.
To find yourself ...
Stop the lazy path and explore your inner self... |
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Post by spidrax on Dec 15, 2020 20:03:21 GMT -5
Keep doing what you're doing, thescientist/Freewave! Your lists are definitely appreciated.
I say, if you want to categorize music, go ahead and categorize music. That's how art works. Anyone who create rules about who can enjoy their music, and how, and when... they're just missing the point of art.
(You might want to be careful about your YouTube videos though. Some people believe in this idea of "intellectual copyright", and they can send DMCA takedown notices to have your videos removed. You might even get your hand slapped...)
Of course, this is my very own and very personal opinion. Fortunately we live in a world where we can all share different opinions and politely disagree about such things without too much bloodshed
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Sargeburt - I listened to some of your music on YouTube via The Dungeon Synth Archives.
I think it's pretty OK and want to buy some, but it looks like it's gone from Bandcamp. What's that about?
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Post by detoxscission on Dec 15, 2020 23:02:10 GMT -5
Yay, TheScientist is here! The work you put in on RYM is highly commendable. Cheers!
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Post by Sargeburt on Dec 16, 2020 3:12:14 GMT -5
Keep doing what you're doing, thescientist/Freewave! Your lists are definitely appreciated.
I say, if you want to categorize music, go ahead and categorize music. That's how art works. Anyone who create rules about who can enjoy their music, and how, and when... they're just missing the point of art.
(You might want to be careful about your YouTube videos though. Some people believe in this idea of "intellectual copyright", and they can send DMCA takedown notices to have your videos removed. You might even get your hand slapped...)
Of course, this is my very own and very personal opinion. Fortunately we live in a world where we can all share different opinions and politely disagree about such things without too much bloodshed
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Sargeburt - I listened to some of your music on YouTube via The Dungeon Synth Archives.
I think it's pretty OK and want to buy some, but it looks like it's gone from Bandcamp. What's that about?
I would like to emphasize again that I have no objection if someone creates lists, mixes or the like in this way.
I am also far from creating rules for anyone.
Nevertheless, I just have to say that I just don't think it's good when someone uses the works of others to present themselves in public and to refer only to themselves. In addition, it seems as if I now have to cheer for the fact that you cannot even spell the project name correctly, let alone that you set references to the actors who put more than just a lot of money and hard work into the realization of certain works.
What I want to do is express criticism and it must be allowed. Just because it says dungeon synth somewhere I don't have to clap like crazy. Exactly when advertising is made for a platform that is always happy to criticize and question everything and everyone, this must also be done in reverse.
Maybe I'm totally wrong and actually I should be happy to be part of what is being advertised here without being asked. The more I look at it, however, the more I feel the need to question it. I really don't want to prevent anyone from sharing music, let alone categorizing and creating or celebrating it.
As mentioned, maybe I am completely wrong and this is a great thing. And if people see it that way, ok.
However, I see it critically and just because everyone can put everything on the Internet I don't have to applaud, let alone agree.
I think I made my point clear. Good luck with this project, if that's what the people want, ok ...
spidrax: I no longer distribute my music digitally through myself after several rip offs and incidents. If you enter the project name on google you should immediately come to the label that will do this in the future and you will get it there too.
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Post by thescientist on Dec 22, 2020 13:59:12 GMT -5
To say it politely: Please remove me from your youtube upload "vampyric dungeon synth - Letter fro Carmilla - Coffin 4" ... (your spelling.) Nevertheless, I just have to say that I just don't think it's good when someone uses the works of others to present themselves in public and to refer only to themselves. Let me know if this really is what you want. If that's the case I'll need to take the original vampyric dungeon synth mixtape, delete your part in the mixtape, take down the video, remake it, and re-upload it without your track. You also won't be included in that set. If you've also taken down your bandcamp then it's strange that you're making it even harder to locate your work. I'll do that if that's what you want but I just have to state that find this all a bit bizarre to react so strongly against what I'm doing to assist the musicians involved. It's a LOT of work doing this, I make zero money off it, I certainly get almost ZERO press, and I certainly don't put myself over the music. That's really a offensive statement frankly.
RYM is just a community of music fans. They can rate release however they want, write reviews that others can read, and make lists to show off what they like. The only way to have more people on rym rating releases higher then lower is to have more fans of those genres join rym, rate releases, and stick around. Those who register, rate things, and are gone a week later aren't weighted in stats well. I like to think that RYM is as close to a widely distributed genre fanbase across ALL genres as it gets but some are better represented then others. I'd hope that DS can be one of those even better represented there then even now. Discogs may be mostly older electronic music fans but RYM is a bit better spread out.
Let me know if you want your track removed or if its something else (a misspelling I can correct, a link perhaps i can add, whatever). As you say googling any of the tracks and artists should lead back to a place where they can be currently found. Again this was an attempt to reach out to gather DS support and perhaps represent it even better then we have so far (we've been focusing more on the niche sides vs some of its biggest subgenres yet) in the next year. But if that's backfired and these mixtapes are offensive to the community (and hopefully not just yourself) I can make steps to remove them partially or completely. I would appreciate it if you or others have questions of us please ask them rather than come to your own conclusions that may be very inaccurate.
Thanks.
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Post by arillius on Dec 22, 2020 16:59:26 GMT -5
Freewave, Great compilations of stuff, here. Also, Thank you for including my Interstellar Dominions track on the Cosmic collection - I never see anyone mention or talk about that so I was pleasantly surprised |
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