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Post by andrewwerdna on Apr 22, 2020 20:22:35 GMT -5
That new Mortiis episode is great. He seems a bit out-of-touch so it's was fun hearing his live reaction to recent goings-on like comfy synth, Dr. Pepper, and scenes from Lords of Chaos. And I like how he was gently asking, "Are we still taking this stuff seriously?" in response to that meme junk. Somehow that simple question is so much more biting than "fuck those posers!" That said, I think he's totally off by saying one of the problems is that people don't have enough imagery, stage presence, theatrics, etc. Emulating KISS is not the way to make DS more serious. And he says he's all about that just because he's "old school," well what about Klaus Schulze who he has often cited as one of his main influences? He didn't need to make his performances into a circus to successfully enchant an audience, not to say there's anything wrong with visually taking on the role of a character, but it's far from necessary imo. And besides that, there are plenty of current DS folks with elaborate imagery, like he seemed to have that opinion based on a few of those streamed performances from the siege, but apparently he missed the Alder Deep one.
But yeah, even though it seems like he doesn't actually listen to any DS (couldn't even comment on the Burzum prison albums haha), he can still carry on a conversation like a pro. Not a dull moment in those three hours, and considering how many interviews I've heard him give that's impressive.
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Post by windgeist on Apr 23, 2020 5:41:10 GMT -5
I'm very interested in your cast and will definitely listen to it. Does there exist an old-school RSS feed too, or is this youtube spotify exclusive?
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Post by thewoodwose on Apr 23, 2020 10:05:25 GMT -5
I'm very interested in your cast and will definitely listen to it. Does there exist an old-school RSS feed too, or is this youtube spotify exclusive? The podcast is on YouTube, Spotify, Bandcamp, and soon to be iTunes. It does have an old-school RSS feed as well. feed.podbean.com/midnightambience/feed.xml
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Post by thewoodwose on Apr 23, 2020 10:09:52 GMT -5
That new Mortiis episode is great. He seems a bit out-of-touch so it's was fun hearing his live reaction to recent goings-on like comfy synth, Dr. Pepper, and scenes from Lords of Chaos. And I like how he was gently asking, "Are we still taking this stuff seriously?" in response to that meme junk. Somehow that simple question is so much more biting than "fuck those posers!" That said, I think he's totally off by saying one of the problems is that people don't have enough imagery, stage presence, theatrics, etc. Emulating KISS is not the way to make DS more serious. And he says he's all about that just because he's "old school," well what about Klaus Schulze who he has often cited as one of his main influences? He didn't need to make his performances into a circus to successfully enchant an audience, not to say there's anything wrong with visually taking on the role of a character, but it's far from necessary imo. And besides that, there are plenty of current DS folks with elaborate imagery, like he seemed to have that opinion based on a few of those streamed performances from the siege, but apparently he missed the Alder Deep one. But yeah, even though it seems like he doesn't actually listen to any DS (couldn't even comment on the Burzum prison albums haha), he can still carry on a conversation like a pro. Not a dull moment in those three hours, and considering how many interviews I've heard him give that's impressive. Thanks for your kind words about the interview I think you can tell I don't always agree with him on a lot of issues but also I agree he very much missed a lot of the more theatrical siege performances honestly.
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Post by windgeist on Apr 23, 2020 10:24:12 GMT -5
I'm very interested in your cast and will definitely listen to it. Does there exist an old-school RSS feed too, or is this youtube spotify exclusive? The podcast is on YouTube, Spotify, Bandcamp, and soon to be iTunes. It does have an old-school RSS feed as well. feed.podbean.com/midnightambience/feed.xml Excellent! I've just subscribed.
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Post by thewoodwose on Aug 15, 2020 17:26:52 GMT -5
Weekly live episodes will be Saturdays at 5:00 PM Central on Twitch here
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Post by crystallogic13 on Aug 22, 2020 4:29:27 GMT -5
Weekly live episodes will be Saturdays at 5:00 PM Central on Twitch here Thanx for keeping us updated!! I see you also uploaded to Youtube the weekly one, watched parts of it, lots of topics n stuff, better suited to listen for someone while doing something else, just like radio of course, so it is working I think, thanx for the work in putting all these together!! By the way, you could have some more info on the description on youtube about who's guest n stuff... Regards!!
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Post by dungeonsynthzine on Aug 22, 2020 8:32:11 GMT -5
Weekly live episodes will be Saturdays at 5:00 PM Central on Twitch here By the way, you could have some more info on the description on youtube about who's guest n stuff... This!
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Post by andrewwerdna on Jan 29, 2021 0:41:56 GMT -5
There were some interesting topics with the Hasufel episode that was just released. Particularly his take on the term "Berlin school" was really interesting to me. I've always been a bit uncomfortable using that phrase because I felt like I might be missing something, but I have thrown it around a bit. I'm interpreting what Hasufel said as being like, yes technically Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze are Berlin school, but so is a whole bunch of very different-sounding krautrock. I wasn't aware of that, and actually thought its purpose was more to differentiate from krautrock as being more pure synthesizer music. So my question would be, what then would be the best term to use in reference to that particular style? I feel like "space ambient" is best, but I've seen a lot of different terms thrown around and it seems like there isn't a definitive one, which is why I think Berlin school was adopted for that.
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Post by hasufel on Feb 6, 2021 20:55:46 GMT -5
There were some interesting topics with the Hasufel episode that was just released. Particularly his take on the term "Berlin school" was really interesting to me. I've always been a bit uncomfortable using that phrase because I felt like I might be missing something, but I have thrown it around a bit. I'm interpreting what Hasufel said as being like, yes technically Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze are Berlin school, but so is a whole bunch of very different-sounding krautrock. I wasn't aware of that, and actually thought its purpose was more to differentiate from krautrock as being more pure synthesizer music. So my question would be, what then would be the best term to use in reference to that particular style? I feel like "space ambient" is best, but I've seen a lot of different terms thrown around and it seems like there isn't a definitive one, which is why I think Berlin school was adopted for that. Hasufel here,
Thank you for listening closely and taking the time to understand what I was trying to say. By that point in the interview, I was not at my most lucid state.
I should have brought it up during the podcast, but one term that has been more used in the past to describe that style is "Kosmische" music. German for Cosmic. That term, as I have always understood it, started out as a way for the German artists to describe themselves as an alternative to the anglo term "Krautrock", but has since come to refer mainly to the synthesizer-based electronic music of that era. Historically, "Berlin School" was used to differentiate between Kraftwerk (Dusseldorf) and most of the other German electronic artists. Kosmische music is far more inclusive and not geographically based. Early on, the term "New Age" was used to describe a lot of these sounds, specifically in reference to the 1976 Ash Ra Tempel album "New Age Of Earth". I think it's also useful just to compare sounds to different specific artists instead of using catch-all genre terms. Old Sorcery sometimes sounds a lot like Tangerine Dream specifically, for example. It doesn't take away from that artists work to draw that comparison when it makes sense.
I hope I didn't come of as patronizing in the interview. It was more of an interesting observation of how the lexicon evolves and changes over time and between different subcultural movements. I don't claim to be an expert, by any means and I'm always open for further discussion. I'm always open to learning from other people.
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Post by andrewwerdna on Feb 10, 2021 0:11:20 GMT -5
There were some interesting topics with the Hasufel episode that was just released. Particularly his take on the term "Berlin school" was really interesting to me. I've always been a bit uncomfortable using that phrase because I felt like I might be missing something, but I have thrown it around a bit. I'm interpreting what Hasufel said as being like, yes technically Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze are Berlin school, but so is a whole bunch of very different-sounding krautrock. I wasn't aware of that, and actually thought its purpose was more to differentiate from krautrock as being more pure synthesizer music. So my question would be, what then would be the best term to use in reference to that particular style? I feel like "space ambient" is best, but I've seen a lot of different terms thrown around and it seems like there isn't a definitive one, which is why I think Berlin school was adopted for that. Hasufel here, Thank you for listening closely and taking the time to understand what I was trying to say. By that point in the interview, I was not at my most lucid state. I should have brought it up during the podcast, but one term that has been more used in the past to describe that style is "Kosmische" music. German for Cosmic. That term, as I have always understood it, started out as a way for the German artists to describe themselves as an alternative to the anglo term "Krautrock", but has since come to refer mainly to the synthesizer-based electronic music of that era. Historically, "Berlin School" was used to differentiate between Kraftwerk (Dusseldorf) and most of the other German electronic artists. Kosmische music is far more inclusive and not geographically based. Early on, the term "New Age" was used to describe a lot of these sounds, specifically in reference to the 1976 Ash Ra Tempel album "New Age Of Earth". I think it's also useful just to compare sounds to different specific artists instead of using catch-all genre terms. Old Sorcery sometimes sounds a lot like Tangerine Dream specifically, for example. It doesn't take away from that artists work to draw that comparison when it makes sense.
I hope I didn't come of as patronizing in the interview. It was more of an interesting observation of how the lexicon evolves and changes over time and between different subcultural movements. I don't claim to be an expert, by any means and I'm always open for further discussion. I'm always open to learning from other people.
Ah, yeah, I've also used the term "Kosmische" a fair bit to describe this style of music, but have felt similarly uncomfortable with that as "Berlin school," and if it was originally meant as fundamentally the same thing as krautrock but as a more tasteful way to describe it, and as the artists taking ownership of what to call their own genre, then isn't that essentially the same thing as people misusing "Berlin school?" It's still glossing over a lot of more rock-oriented stuff to just focus on the handful of electronic-focused artists. What we need is a term to just single out that stuff. And I don't think the term "new age" would work without clarifying it each time because most people know it as a very different style of music these days. So I think I personally still prefer "space ambient." What do you think of that phrase to single out this Tangerine Dream/Klaus Schulze/Jim Kirkwood style specifically? You didn't come off as patronizing to me. I love these types of genre classification discussions, especially when it gets a bit spicy.
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Post by hasufel on Feb 17, 2021 1:27:20 GMT -5
Ah, yeah, I've also used the term "Kosmische" a fair bit to describe this style of music, but have felt similarly uncomfortable with that as "Berlin school," and if it was originally meant as fundamentally the same thing as krautrock but as a more tasteful way to describe it, and as the artists taking ownership of what to call their own genre, then isn't that essentially the same thing as people misusing "Berlin school?" It's still glossing over a lot of more rock-oriented stuff to just focus on the handful of electronic-focused artists. What we need is a term to just single out that stuff. And I don't think the term "new age" would work without clarifying it each time because most people know it as a very different style of music these days. So I think I personally still prefer "space ambient." What do you think of that phrase to single out this Tangerine Dream/Klaus Schulze/Jim Kirkwood style specifically? You didn't come off as patronizing to me. I love these types of genre classification discussions, especially when it gets a bit spicy.
Yeah, I totally get where you're coming from, and honestly, I don't have a great answer for you. I just wish there was an easier way to describe the style of dungeon synth and synthesizer music we are discussing.
"Space Ambient" isn't an awful term, but I have a hard time ascribing the term "ambient" to a lot of this music. There is a lot more movement and dynamics in the music of Tangerine Dream than in the works of other artists I would describe as "ambient", if that makes sense. I would never discuss Jim Kirkwood, Old Sorcery or other DS-Kosmische adjacent artists as ambient in any way.
I really don't know how best to describe this sound. I just know that "Berlin School" is inadequate because it's such a specific geographical and temporal reference point that relies on a distinction with other artists active at that time.
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Post by andrewwerdna on Feb 20, 2021 19:17:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I totally get where you're coming from, and honestly, I don't have a great answer for you. I just wish there was an easier way to describe the style of dungeon synth and synthesizer music we are discussing. "Space Ambient" isn't an awful term, but I have a hard time ascribing the term "ambient" to a lot of this music. There is a lot more movement and dynamics in the music of Tangerine Dream than in the works of other artists I would describe as "ambient", if that makes sense. I would never discuss Jim Kirkwood, Old Sorcery or other DS-Kosmische adjacent artists as ambient in any way. I really don't know how best to describe this sound. I just know that "Berlin School" is inadequate because it's such a specific geographical and temporal reference point that relies on a distinction with other artists active at that time.
I didn't mean the intersection of DS and this kind of music necessarily so much as just singling out the Tangerine Dream/Klaus Schulze style without genre terms that also include experimental space rock artists like Ash Ra Tempel and whatnot. I feel like Berlin School and Kosmische Musik both include those, and also Kosmische Musik seems like it relies on a specific geographical location as well by using the German instead of calling it "cosmic music." And "cosmic music" doesn't feel quite right either, more like a description than an actual genre category. I can understand not feeling like ambient is very fitting. I personally felt that way about the term "dark ambient" for dungeon synth. Most of the space ambient/Kosmische Musik I've heard sounds pretty thoroughly ambient to me, like I think a case can even be made that those guys pioneered ambient music in general, but admittedly I don't listen to lot of this kind of music. I guess I'll continue to use Kosmische Musik and space ambient interchangeably.
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Post by thewoodwose on May 8, 2021 16:05:53 GMT -5
Midnight Ambience is officially going through some changes!! In addition to having a new co-host and video for interviews we will be doing the following:
-Premium Patreon exclusive episodes of the show. -A tighter focus on relevant topics and cataloging the history and thought process behind the music -No more bandcamp uploads
We are also planning to re-visit and re-interview old guests as well as re-master and re-cut the older interviews (Prior to Episode 40)
In the meantime enjoy the latest episode!!
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