need help staying away from nazi dungeon synth.

[zorkdrrtolk]

As we all know, certain areas of the dungeon synth community are full of decrepit little demons which we know as nazis. I've recently gotten into tänzelcore and keller synth, which I've heard are very bad spots when it comes to fatherless nazi musicians, I've already uncovered a few which seem to be pretty bad across my listenings on youtube through playlists of music ripped from cassettes and uploaded there. Does anyone have a list or specific things to look out for when it comes to detecting these nazi threats to our sacred musical community which we so love and ensuring that we do not listen to them?

thx.

[doomed]

I don't think there's much you can do besides researching each project you decide to listen to within those specific sub-genre of DS where those types of people participate in. Even so, that doesn't really help much when they branch out into other sub-genres of DS that aren't so easily associated with the subject. Some people cope with the whole "separate the art from the artist" phrase, but I don't think that applies with artists that use their art to spread their cringe nazi ideologies. There really should be some kind of list, in which case it would make cross referencing as easy as ctrl + F.

[andrewwerdna]

May 25, 2024 14:59:44 GMT -5 doomed said:

There really should be some kind of list, in which case it would make cross referencing as easy as ctrl + F.

I think a list might funnel more people to that content rather than keep them away. I can't think of any other easy solutions though, I guess just try not to support or promote stuff that is suspicious. I don't enjoy keller synth/tänzelcore and don't really know a lot about it, but it seems like the entire genre is suspicious at this point, and probably better to assume every artist has problematic politics unless they make direct statements to the contrary.

[dragonaltar]

Nazis have no problem finding their own stuff, they have their own dedicated lists and labels—a list for dungeon synth would be small anyway. The openly Nazi and far-right wing of DS producers is a small handful of individuals that pump out a lot of projects and aliases. Here are the big hitters from my blacklist:

It sounds like you're already familiar with the big Tanzelcore guys—Andreas Bettinger and Sigfrid Reiter. They have a ton of projects between them. You can use RYM to see their aliases.

The most obvious is probably Burzum, proud white supremacist. Athalwolf (Bacchia Neraida / Cernunnos / Elfen) is an old-school DS producer in NSBM bands. Same with V-KhaoZ (Druadan Forest / Old Serpent's Lore) and Roman Saenko (Dark Ages, Hate Forest). Leading the modern wave of these is Old Tower, with the NSBM project The Wampyric Specter. He's very well-known, but his side-project isn't.

Myst is the owner of Lost Armor Records and person behind a fuckton of projects (RYM is your friend here again), including Somme—a Prussian nationalist themed project. Prussian nationalism a pet fancy for some "retvrn" far-right types as well as monarchists. Up to you how seriously you want to take it, but the dogwhistle is there. He's also decently well-known.

[lolth]

Just watch out for any obvious symbolism if you want to avoid it. There's honestly not much NSDS out there generally, at least in the modern scene. Aside from those mentioned above you're not likely to encounter many artists today with "sketchy" ties.

KS on the other hand (the little of it that there actually is) is almost exclusively made by fascists. If you're into the style there's not much you can do to avoid it--it's a bit like being a punk who wants to avoid anarchism.

Sidenote: Myst associates with several very obviously and openly left-leaning and left-adjacent bands/artists, I wouldn't worry about him at all.

[windgeist]

The subject of Kellersynth and Fascism is not all that straight foreward. What is true, is that the people who pioneered the genre -aka the Saarland Circle- are far right leaning (or at least pose as such).
But in recent time Kellersynth became some kind of meme on TickTok, what seems to have drove some of the original figures out of the scene.
In the meanwhile some new projects emerged that do KS or are at least are inspired by the Keller sound and are not (obviously) linked to right winged stuff.

You can check out projects like Eternal Torch, Siege Golem, Grabräuber, Kellerkreischer or my own Keller Chiptune project Necromancer Tower, if you want to listen to safe stuff.