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Post by nebel on Jul 30, 2018 2:14:06 GMT -5
Overall, I think I agree with others above - it might be time to just treat the proboard like an isolated entity and completely ignore the fb group - it's clearly a good thing for some people with more social intentions around DS, but not so nice for those of us more concerned with lurking in the shadows and arguing about which time signature is the most shadow-lurking-esque. New here, but i'd like to put my two cents. The best thing for the genre is to keep profiles low imo, since it is supposed to stay underground really. In the end, most of DS artists do music because they love it, not because they want to be popular. Their listener will find them anyway.
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Post by thekeeper on Jul 30, 2018 12:23:41 GMT -5
I remember reading from many different sources people commenting on how friendly, inviting, and non-toxic the DS community is, and how little drama there is compared to other genre communities. I haven't really been involved in any other "scenes" so I haven't had anything to compare it to, but it sounds like maybe we've just been big enough for long enough that this was inevitable? I'm still not sure how I feel about all this, but it's definitely not the end of the world for me because I think the social aspect of DS should be peripheral anyways. I'm not necessarily opposed to drama when I feel like the point of contention has significance, for instance I really enjoyed debating the trve folks because I feel like those discussions allow both parties to learn something about their own position, though management I guess had a "no drama" policy. And I was tempted to chime in on this Facebook clusterfuck that just occurred, which I was lucky to catch because I don't have email notifications, but yeah this other kind of drama doesn't serve any real purpose, any involvement would seem to just fuel more pointless drama. I think increased size does have something to do with it, especially considering increased 'scene size' is now equated with larger FB group size since our communication platforms are currently centralized, so yeah it's probably inevitable. I think the web 2.0 feed/stream/scroll information and communication dynamic is detrimental for large communities since everyone has to encounter everything everyone posts first, finding things they like along the way. It also revolves more around reactions than conversations. Usually just a picture or link to something, people react, and they move on. Not that good conversations don't happen, it's just the constancy of things and ease of posting creates a particularly bland atmosphere as things grow that calls more for react+move-on activity than discussion of things. Less reflective. Again though, this is less the case when feed-based communities are smaller and more focused. I like web 1.0 communication/information formatting since it's more archival and selective, like forums and bulletin boards. People can ignore whatever they wish, return to whatever they wish, view histories of discussion, see how things have changed, etc. Still possible to ignore things in infinite feed formats, but there's a lot more to work through. Feed posts don't last. Maybe feeds are better for news? I don't know.
I agree that the social scene should be the periphery. A lot of my favorite artists are either infrequently social with 'the scene' or not at all. I feel like the social aspect of things getting a front seat also leads to more artists either copying each other or making music just to 'be a part of DS'.
Yeah some folks I’ve been talking with seem to think it’s not a good mix, DS and fb... Though, alternatively, others seem to think the fb group is critical to the community. Is this true? The community seems to really benefit from it, but I guess the real question is if the genre needs the community in any way That's really hard to answer since we can't know what things would've been like for the scene without FB pages or groups. Before the main group, there were a couple side pages (not groups). Levi ran one that was pretty mellow but still had a good energy of discovery. The Dungeons of Darkness and Masmorra zines probably would've been harder to circulate, too. But things were far smaller then. Things change with size, I think that's a big contributor. On that note, I do think the proboards community has been/is vital to the growth of the scene, and the "dungeon synth" tag on bandcamp (used to be?), as well. If anything, I think I'd rather have the relatively quiet reddit site as the active "social community" over the facebook group. Overall, I think I agree with others above - it might be time to just treat the proboard like an isolated entity and completely ignore the fb group - it's clearly a good thing for some people with more social intentions around DS, but not so nice for those of us more concerned with lurking in the shadows and arguing about which time signature is the most shadow-lurking-esque. I really don't like how reddit works (or looks). To me it's the same kind of dynamic, a lot of pictures and links without much else. Occasional questions about stuff. Depends on the page, though. I've read some kool posts that I've found from normal internet searches. I do like that posts last longer. I've never felt the need to join the site, so I guess it's alright for lurking.
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Post by Sláine on Jul 30, 2018 12:50:24 GMT -5
I the keeper has hit the nail on the head here.
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Post by Alder on Jul 30, 2018 13:13:16 GMT -5
I wish there were more people making dungeon periphery stuff - visual art, zines, poetry (comics?) - the one thing I do really love seeing on the facebook group is people posting their own illustrations and stuff like that.
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Post by Sláine on Jul 30, 2018 13:15:25 GMT -5
I wish there were more people making dungeon periphery stuff - visual art, zines, poetry (comics?) - the one thing I do really love seeing on the facebook group is people posting their own illustrations and stuff like that. Yeah we all come together through the characteristics of the genre, we had the idea in the literature group to do a zine of short stories and a compilation tape.
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Post by Tyrannus on Jul 30, 2018 16:11:11 GMT -5
I wish there were more people making dungeon periphery stuff - visual art, zines, poetry (comics?) - the one thing I do really love seeing on the facebook group is people posting their own illustrations and stuff like that. I’d love more zines <3
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Post by Pilgrim's Shadow on Jul 31, 2018 9:24:14 GMT -5
I'd actually love to see an online radio DS with aesthetic backgrounds. Like vapowave's Nightwave Plaza, but dedicated to the Dungeon Synth aesthetic.
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Post by Båvingr on Aug 9, 2018 10:07:46 GMT -5
I guess I need to start focusing on more detailed compliments, not just "sounds great! hails!" And it would be a good thing to see more of those comments on BC, since VERY FEW buyers use to leave them. I think detailed comments (positive or negative) are always useful and challenging at the same time. Yes, definitely! I always read the reviews. Going to make an effort to do this...
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