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Post by andrewwerdna on Mar 27, 2020 13:46:20 GMT -5
But I think a lot of people these days feel that way about it, that it's unpleasantly kitsch. Major key doesn't need to sound kitsch though. To me when a major key song is made to sound sad or melancholic it's usually very mysterious and sometimes even creepy sounding. There are certain intervals and chord changes that have this eerie effect like I - III. Good examples of this specific chord change would be the intro to David Bowie's Space Oddity and Creep by Radiohead where they go from C to Em. Both of those songs are in the key of C major and they sure don't sound happy go lucky or kitsch. That being said I also have a hard time enjoying stuff like the most pompous and joyful works of Mozart etc. Well, I'll say again I don't know much about music theory, but the chord change to Em is probably what makes those songs not seem so happy-go-lucky, right? If not for that chord change those songs might have that kitsch quality? Here's an example of what I'm talking about, so much of classical sounds like this to me, like the most extreme idealized frivolous frolicking joy, I can't relate to it at all: The only thing I have to explain it is "major key," but of course I recognize major key stuff doesn't always sound like this.
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Post by skirmisher on Mar 27, 2020 14:01:29 GMT -5
Major key doesn't need to sound kitsch though. To me when a major key song is made to sound sad or melancholic it's usually very mysterious and sometimes even creepy sounding. There are certain intervals and chord changes that have this eerie effect like I - III. Good examples of this specific chord change would be the intro to David Bowie's Space Oddity and Creep by Radiohead where they go from C to Em. Both of those songs are in the key of C major and they sure don't sound happy go lucky or kitsch. That being said I also have a hard time enjoying stuff like the most pompous and joyful works of Mozart etc. Well, I'll say again I don't know much about music theory, but the chord change to Em is probably what makes those songs not seem so happy-go-lucky, right? If not for that chord change those songs might have that kitsch quality? Here's an example of what I'm talking about, so much of classical sounds like this to me, like the most extreme idealized frivolous frolicking joy, I can't relate to it at all: The only thing I have to explain it is "major key," but of course I recognize major key stuff doesn't always sound like this. Yeah I know absolutely nothing about music theory but this is one thing my music scientist genius friend explained me when I said I disliked major keys. I had no idea those songs were in a major key. Yeah it's that particular change that sounds dark and eerie but those songs wouldn't sound very happy without it either. Space Oddity actually swaps the Em to an E major in the verse and even though we theoretically should get more "light" it now sounds a bit off and bittersweet instead because it's technically off key. But yeah I understand your point since I have the same exact problem with that sort of music. The reason I'm bringing this up is I used to stay away from anything major in my music until I found that sometimes major sounds uniquely mysterious. Turns out I was just limiting myself out of ignorance.
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Post by stonetroll on Apr 28, 2020 23:17:30 GMT -5
I had no idea what the fuck comfy synth was and this is the second thread i've seen about it on 2 different sites. Wow the fucking more you know...
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Post by olofdigre on Apr 29, 2020 5:50:59 GMT -5
For me the problem is that some of my projects that I label as DS are not really classical DS at all and could very easily be criticized in the same what as CS. Digre, Erdig, Rymdborg and so on. Therefore I should not be criticizing CS too much. You know.. Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him. But I don't really think the problem with CS is that it is tagged as DS but not styled genre canon. I think the problem is that it often sounds like someone has used a music generator program to make the tracks. I am not sure of this but much of it sounds just like tones.wolfram.com/ or something similar. A see it as mostly meme and gag music and I can not see how that could be good for anyone.
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Post by Lord Tetrarch on May 13, 2020 12:02:49 GMT -5
Hot take and unnecessary thread revive:
90 percent of comfy synth is the same person.
I know a lot of you in here have already heard my angry ramblings elsewhere, but figure it belongs here as well because it annoys the shit out of me.
I made GMA's cottage... I have a lot of evidence from sources I cannot name that the majority of this shit is one guy, and in my opinion he has totally derailed the whole idea of comfy synth, taking it away from DS, effectively ruining the art behind it.
Comfy synth could have been neat, but someone took it upon themselves to flood the genre with half asses releases. I think this individual makes music for cartoons/kids shows or something as he has mentioned to other sources and hence it is easy for him to make music in this vein - but it is not at all like the direction I was hoping others would take it in and because of that the genere has forever been sullied.
Pretty sure it is the guy from "Farozen" but I could be wrong. I know for sure he is out of Sweden.
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Post by thekeeper on May 13, 2020 23:55:28 GMT -5
Hot take and unnecessary thread revive: 90 percent of comfy synth is the same person. I know a lot of you in here have already heard my angry ramblings elsewhere, but figure it belongs here as well because it annoys the shit out of me. I made GMA's cottage... I have a lot of evidence from sources I cannot name that the majority of this shit is one guy, and in my opinion he has totally derailed the whole idea of comfy synth, taking it away from DS, effectively ruining the art behind it. Comfy synth could have been neat, but someone took it upon themselves to flood the genre with half asses releases. I think this individual makes music for cartoons/kids shows or something as he has mentioned to other sources and hence it is easy for him to make music in this vein - but it is not at all like the direction I was hoping others would take it in and because of that the genere has forever been sullied. Pretty sure it is the guy from "Farozen" but I could be wrong. I know for sure he is out of Sweden. Assumed as much. It's funny that the conversation of CS being taken off course has mirrored people talking about DS being taken off course by one thing or another. That one's guy's music is essentially just theme music to me, the kind you'd buy to fill up background music during a certain themed scene or something. I don't have an issue with theme music at all, but this guy seemed to just throw on this comfy synth tag to anything he made that was themed around something suburban. Kind of weird. I'll have to really think about it, but Grandma's Cottage is still the best one under this umbrella (other than the one's retroactiely named). Wrought Records put out a pretty bucolic and upbeat tape recently that may fit the bill.
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Post by windgeist on May 14, 2020 7:08:31 GMT -5
It may sound strange, but to me Grandma's Cottage seem to be a bit like Punk. I mean, it's like an unwritten law that DS has to be dark and about things like castles or enchanted forests. Now Grandma's Cottage said: 'F**k this! Lets explore other things too.' And that is a cool move, that other artists have done too (e.g. Earthencloak). What I don't get is why people seem to enjoy Earthencloak but get pissed about Grandma's Cottage.
This other stuff labeled as CS that appeared lately seems to be just trolling and should just be ignored therefor.
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Post by theswordthatsang on May 14, 2020 14:22:40 GMT -5
I've been enjoying Grandma's Cottage a lot but due to the abundance of following CS releases, I did not pay much attention to the tag and just focused on whatever looked interesting under the DS umbrella. Bad clones always find themselves forgotten.
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Post by stormcrow on May 14, 2020 14:39:13 GMT -5
Is Grandmas Cottage the same guy also behind Diplodocus, Bespin Moons etc?
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Post by windgeist on May 14, 2020 16:04:07 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Tetrarch on May 15, 2020 8:43:00 GMT -5
It may sound strange, but to me Grandma's Cottage seem to be a bit like Punk. I mean, it's like an unwritten law that DS has to be dark and about things like castles or enchanted forests. Now Grandma's Cottage said: 'F**k this! Lets explore other things too.' And that is a cool move, that other artists have done too (e.g. Earthencloak). What I don't get is why people seem to enjoy Earthencloak but get pissed about Grandma's Cottage.
This other stuff labeled as CS that appeared lately seems to be just trolling and should just be ignored therefor.
As someone that grew up as a punk, I think you hit the nail on the head lol. I tend to bring punk themes/aesthetics and even some song structure to most of the DS stuff I do. Hell the Diplodocus logo is a Screeching Weasel knock off.
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Post by underking on May 21, 2020 4:00:01 GMT -5
I think Grandmas Cottage captures the nostalgic theme present in the Dungeon Synth genre. The wraping is diferent than the DS-standard, but as mentioned before, a lot of music in this genre is light hearted theme music anyways.
I also think the term kitch has been mistaken in this thread.
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language puts it well: Β«Pieces of art or other objects that appeal to popular or uncultivated taste, as in being garish or overly sentimental.Β»
LβInimico dello donne do not sound kitch to me. A lot of of Dungeon Synth is kitchy in my opinion. Maybe not as kitch as the 4 hours of relaxing meditation music you find on Youtube, but still kitchy as hell.
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Post by spaceman00 on May 31, 2020 20:07:19 GMT -5
I am listening to some comfy synth from here bandcamp.com/tag/comfy-synth, and the more childish sounds like some of the stuff you would find at library music labels at 70s. PS: Library Music are labels where they made music to be brought and used at tv shows and etc... Anyone would buy their cds normaly and if someone, decided it would fit at their tv show, they would make a contract with the label to use it at their tv show. Ishkur guide 2.5 call it early synth. Some examples library music with same feeling of some comfy synth songs I heard: www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjWeXoU1aTswww.youtube.com/watch?v=i-yuy-zAMkYwww.youtube.com/watch?v=zfZkB1EqL_IPS2: Not all library are like this, some are songs from a very specific genre of funk/jazz I dont know the name.
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Post by Grey Hollow on Jun 6, 2020 9:56:44 GMT -5
This stuff is disturbing and incestous. Lol
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Post by olofdigre on Jun 30, 2020 3:05:40 GMT -5
I have changed my mind about the comfy tag. not all is garbage. some is good ambient styled music. and some of it is fun. but that is not the point of the comfy synth tag. It is about pushing boundaries of the dungeon community. i really donΒ΄t understand why these borders needs to be checked but I think that is what is going on with the comfy tag. Comfy Synth is always tagged adjacent to Dungeon Synth right?
I approve of Unemployed Uncle Bob .
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