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Post by jondexter on Jan 11, 2017 16:44:55 GMT -5
But I will try to contribute to the discussion again heh I also call albums like "Altars of Madness", "Hell Awaits" and "Legion" black metal but many seem to disagree? Most of the later black metal was just really (came from)Death Metal in a sense anyways? But this 'first wave' stuff you refer to I would personally call black metal for sure and blackened thrash. And I would call Varg vikernes Crispy Cornflakes of course π
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Post by jondexter on Jan 11, 2017 16:47:54 GMT -5
From where did this 'Mr. Crispy Cornflakes' thing start? I think I put my foot in it so to speak haha |
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Post by andrewwerdna on Jan 12, 2017 7:14:49 GMT -5
For the record I like my cornflakes crispy as well.
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Post by thekeeper on Jan 12, 2017 10:25:33 GMT -5
This is a formal call for soggy cornflakes eaters to come out of the woodwork and explain yourselves.
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Post by Ananoriel on Jan 12, 2017 13:26:00 GMT -5
I hate the taste of milk, and soggy cornflakes make it even worse. Good cornflakes with yoghurt tho.
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Post by azullimao on Jan 12, 2017 15:37:10 GMT -5
I bet Euronymous liked soggy cornflakes
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Post by Ananoriel on Jan 12, 2017 18:28:12 GMT -5
That is why it all happened right?
The Varg vlogs are very... fascinating by the way. When I discovered his Youtube channel for the first time I thought it was ironic, or a joke. But he is very serious, oh help.
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Post by jondexter on Feb 5, 2017 6:52:21 GMT -5
I am not convinced Varg is serious
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Post by Profoundemonium on Apr 20, 2017 12:02:02 GMT -5
Is anyone else curious about the fact that Holy Moses released a demo called "Black Metal Masters" in 1980, which predates Venom's use of the term by 2 years? I've seen some people say that Holy Moses invented the term and Venom popularized it, but I've never seen either band acknowledge this. I've never come across a rip of the tape but I assume it sounds like the band's other early work.
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Post by dedran on Apr 22, 2017 15:26:26 GMT -5
For our purposes as DS artists and fans, I think the interesting question is which bands in this style started using keyboards first? Eugene, do you know? In one of your videos, there's a clip from Bulldozer that features a heavy synth part, but I'm not sure chronologically who was the first to use this? I find nowadays that I don't really like most of is identified as symphonic black metal, but for me the early use of keyboards (even with just simple drones) is crucial to cementing the identity of black metal. On this topic, does anyone think that Silvester Anfang from the Mayhem debut could be considered a very primitive form of dungeon synth with direct black metal roots? It's kind of a corny track, but it's the earliest example that I can think of, way back in 1987: |
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Post by mutter on Aug 1, 2017 18:48:51 GMT -5
For our purposes as DS artists and fans, I think the interesting question is which bands in this style started using keyboards first? Eugene, do you know? In one of your videos, there's a clip from Bulldozer that features a heavy synth part, but I'm not sure chronologically who was the first to use this? I find nowadays that I don't really like most of is identified as symphonic black metal, but for me the early use of keyboards (even with just simple drones) is crucial to cementing the identity of black metal. On this topic, does anyone think that Silvester Anfang from the Mayhem debut could be considered a very primitive form of dungeon synth with direct black metal roots? It's kind of a corny track, but it's the earliest example that I can think of, way back in 1987: Well, Konrad Schnitzler, who wrote that track, is one of the great pioneers of electronic music. He's on two Kluster albums and both are amazing, and He's involved early on with Tangerine Dream. Now, I'd personally claim that Tangerine Dream in particular are an influence on Mortiis, and those Kluster records are well worth it. There's a lot of great dark electronic stuff from the early 70's which I think could well have influenced Burzum, and not just his synth albums either; if you listen to Neu! that classic motorik beat does have some echoes, particularly in driving, propulsive tracks like Jesus Tod. I don't know of any interviews where Varg talks about that music, but it's not particularly obscure, and it's very "european". This is sort of a topic for another thread perhaps though. |
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Post by dedran on Aug 3, 2017 20:35:21 GMT -5
On this topic, does anyone think that Silvester Anfang from the Mayhem debut could be considered a very primitive form of dungeon synth with direct black metal roots? It's kind of a corny track, but it's the earliest example that I can think of, way back in 1987: Well, Konrad Schnitzler, who wrote that track, is one of the great pioneers of electronic music. He's on two Kluster albums and both are amazing, and He's involved early on with Tangerine Dream. Now, I'd personally claim that Tangerine Dream in particular are an influence on Mortiis, and those Kluster records are well worth it. There's a lot of great dark electronic stuff from the early 70's which I think could well have influenced Burzum, and not just his synth albums either; if you listen to Neu! that classic motorik beat does have some echoes, particularly in driving, propulsive tracks like Jesus Tod. I don't know of any interviews where Varg talks about that music, but it's not particularly obscure, and it's very "european". This is sort of a topic for another thread perhaps though. I'm not familiar with Neu, but just in case you didn't know, Varg often cites Jarre as an important influence, so there is definitely something there. He was big on a lot of that stuff, actually. The interesting question to me has always been how the spacey electronic music got adapted to medievalist/pagan themes, and that seems to be where old DOS games and Dead Can Dance came into the picture, in addition to Bathory. |
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Post by kktz on Apr 14, 2018 10:45:01 GMT -5
I like both, first wave and second wave, just not sure about the trends after mid 90's  |
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shalashaska
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Croeso! Shalashaska dw i a dw i'n mwynhau dungeon synth.
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Post by shalashaska on Oct 24, 2020 19:54:09 GMT -5
I'm seeing a distinct lack of THE undisputed, Italian kings of first-wave black metal: Bulldozer. Got to love these guys, I'm just gonna drop some of my favourites:
Bulldozer - The Day of Wrath:
Bulldozer - XI:
Bulldozer - Alive... In Poland (The 2011 version is even better but this is still so solid)
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i'm a newbie here, thanks for the approval!