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Ghosts
Mar 28, 2024 0:51:16 GMT -5
Post by andrewwerdna on Mar 28, 2024 0:51:16 GMT -5
Anyone here believe in ghosts or have a paranormal experience they'd like to share? At the end of the day I suppose I don't believe, but I love speculating about it, and I listen to a lot of supposedly-true ghost story podcasts. So I guess I will say I think ghosts are possible, but I'm still on the fence.
I think this video is probably fake, but it's a good one:
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Ghosts
Mar 28, 2024 9:11:03 GMT -5
Post by knight12 on Mar 28, 2024 9:11:03 GMT -5
Defitely not sure if this video is authentic, but I did have a lot of demonic experiences in my life. One time I was driving my car and just found myself far from where I was and had no recollection of me driving to that point, like I entered some time loop and was transported there. Aside from that I know many other people who are trustworthy and who claim to have had some strange experiences, soem say ghosts, some demonic entities etc. Two people I knew even claimed they saw a fairy. Hamlet comes to mind: βThere are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.β
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Ghosts
Mar 28, 2024 9:59:00 GMT -5
Post by andrewwerdna on Mar 28, 2024 9:59:00 GMT -5
"Lost time," uh oh, hopefully you were not abducted by aliens! Just kidding, I do think the mind is funny and can probably just sometimes go offline without explanation, and probably best not to jump to conclusions about that even though one can imagine all sorts of wild possibilities. Interesting that you would bring up fairies, because I have heard a lot of people make the case that what we interpret as aliens and whatnot today were what people called "fairies" in the past in some cultures. I personally don't think it's as simple as people in the past not having any context for recognizing creatures from outer space, but rather it is a somewhat slippery psychological reality-distorting phenomenon and we sort of bring some amount of our own subconscious imagination into it.
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Ghosts
Mar 28, 2024 10:10:20 GMT -5
Post by andrewwerdna on Mar 28, 2024 10:10:20 GMT -5
knight12, was the place you drove to where you were going toward initially? Or did you end up in some place unexpected? Also I'm curious about the demonic experiences, like at least how you differentiate between a demon and something else?
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Ghosts
Mar 28, 2024 11:19:30 GMT -5
Post by knight12 on Mar 28, 2024 11:19:30 GMT -5
Agreed. I do wholeheartedly believe that such experiences are real and that one day humanity might even reach the point where we create technological instruments to observe and measure such phenomena. Come to think of it, maybe we are biological computers and our mind is an interface to interact with higher levels of reality. As for the aliens, I did see a UFO three times in my life, two times I was not alone. Even as I saw something move quickly and change colours I could not make myself believe that these are aliens, my intuition told me this is some secret military experiment. Perhaps I am wrong, just a hunch. As for the fairies, well over here in the Balkans where I live there is a lot of mostly rural-area people that claim to have seen them, spoken with them, some say they know where they dance (like on the Velebit mountain). I find it logical to believe that on a different frequency in nature certain elemental beings exist. Again, we don't have the instruments to measure, who knows what is out there. As you know the term vampire is a Slavic word, so we have all sorts of cryptic creatures over here. I was driving home, and I just woke up basically some 800 meters from where I was. I cannot describe it. I was turning on a roundabout and just puff - all the way there and saying to myself what just happened. Well my demonic experiences came as a result of my conversion to Christianity, so they are sleep paralysis dreams in which you are tormented and then when you wake up you have chill running down your spine for 15 minutes (literally this time period). At first I was really afraid but a really great monk thought me how to combat such experiences and in the end they passed.
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Ghosts
Mar 28, 2024 13:52:40 GMT -5
Post by Daytol on Mar 28, 2024 13:52:40 GMT -5
I think this video is probably fake, Yes, you can just use fishing lines to yank doors open and stuff out of cabinets and all and, if given the right amount of light (or lack of), not a very good quality camera and a few other factors, you can make yourself a decent "ghost" video (fishing lines can be almost totally invisible under the right circumstances). I've spent my time on paranormal forums before because I like creepy stories, and if ghosts and poltergeists are indeed real, the latter is very rare, so that's also suspect. Also it sounds and looks like hardly anything was broken (you could see one plate very clearly at bottom right near the end of the video wobbling, rather than breaking up on the floor), in case someone were to say "but why would someone break all this stuff just to fake a video?". That's an easy one--especially if hardly anything breaks in the first place--plus you can go to a resale shop and get kitchenware for very cheap and make as much as a mess as you want for a video. (Or as little a mess if you want if, again, not much gets broken.)
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Ghosts
Mar 28, 2024 23:27:09 GMT -5
Post by andrewwerdna on Mar 28, 2024 23:27:09 GMT -5
Daytol , yeah, I think you can even see the glimmer of the fishing lines at some points in the video, although they also look a bit like "orbs," so idk . When I first watched it it seemed to me like it would have to be so much effort and lots of people hiding in every corner of the room yanking on so many different fishing lines that they would probably all get tangled up. But then I heard the audio cut out at one point so I realized one or two people could just stop and start the recording and change their location. So probably a fake, but something about this particular video still strikes me as eerie despite coming to that conclusion. So I'm curious, if you've spent some time on paranormal forums and have this sort of skeptical outlook, are there any pictures, videos, evps, etc. that you found convincing, or at least hard to debunk? There's a lot of stuff that can just be written off as being obviously fake, but also there are a lot of instances where the evidence is such that you have to decide whether you trust the people involved, and it's hard to ever really do that unless you know them personally. As for the aliens, I did see a UFO three times in my life, two times I was not alone. Even as I saw something move quickly and change colours I could not make myself believe that these are aliens, my intuition told me this is some secret military experiment. When I was a teenager I was so convinced I saw a UFO, but in hindsight I'm pretty sure it was just a plane. I was outside at night by myself just relaxing and looking at the stars, and suddenly this big black triangular shape with lights on all three corners zips by silently. I told myself that a plane would not be flying low enough to be that big, and if it were it would make noise, and it would not be that fast. But in hindsight I think I was just listening to too much Coast to Coast AM at the time (a long-running paranormal radio talk show in the US) and really wanted to see a UFO. That is so cool! I remember hearing that a lot of people in Iceland still believe in fairies, but I suppose probably a lot of places in the world such old folkloric beliefs still hold strong. It's especially interesting to me that you say they claim to have spoken with them. Do they communicate with speech and if so is there an accent? Or is it telepathic? And what kinds of things do they say I wonder? Do you believe all incidents of sleep paralysis involve demons or can it sometimes just be a physiological event with possible hallucination? I had one experience of sleep paralysis about a decade ago when I was making an effort to lucid dream (doing reality checks and weird sorts of sleeping techniques), and one night I was locked in place and saw a black widow spider on my ceiling, which then fell onto my bed and burst into like a hundred tiny spiders because apparently it had its baby spiders on its back like spiders do. That jolted me awake and I was actually kind of stoked because I find nightmares to often be exhilarating, and it seemed like I was making progress with my efforts to lucid dream, but I can definitely see how it could be super unpleasant and terrifying if it happens seemingly for no reason and keeps reoccurring, especially if a person is not aware of the phenomenon. When people advise techniques for lucid dreaming they'll often mention the possibility of falling into a sleep paralysis state, and they will say things like "you might see or hear weird stuff, but it's nothing to worry about and is actually a good sign because that means you're on the threshhold of a very vivid lucid dream if you can keep your cool." Sleep paralysis is very interesting to me though, and I do not so easily discount that it can be a state in which one more easily has access to genuine paranormal encounters. I think probably at least a quarter of supposed ghost sightings can be attributed to sleep paralysis.
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Ghosts
Mar 29, 2024 0:19:40 GMT -5
Post by Daytol on Mar 29, 2024 0:19:40 GMT -5
Daytol , yeah, I think you can even see the glimmer of the fishing lines at some points in the video, You probably watched that a bit closer than I did. I didn't catch that. So I'm curious, if you've spent some time on paranormal forums and have this sort of skeptical outlook, are there any pictures, videos, evps, etc. that you found convincing, or at least hard to debunk? Oh yeah, there's stuff that you can't explain. I'm no expert on photos or anything. I can't really think of any examples right off the top of my head though. Some of this stuff was years ago. Forums, videos etc. get deleted all the time, some of which weren't around for long at all. A lot of people are thin-skinned and shouldn't be putting up what they think is paranormal "evidence" (whether it could be real or not). I saw this one YouTube video once in regards to E. V. P.s where all a guy did was note in the comments that one E. V. P./voice sounded very close to the microphone. The person who posted it went off on a tangent, saying I don't fake evidence and blah blah. He responded by saying all I said was the voice was very close to the microphone. Where did he say he accused the poster of faking the video? She had two paranormal channels, yet I didn't see any difference whatsoever between the two. She later stopped accepting comments on her videos and I predicted she would delete her channels within six months. I was right As one guy who questioned paranormal videos a bit once said, if you want to hear people b*tch about things, go ghost hunting. I've also heard of people believing in fairies. This one lady on a forum said she got them in her house and that she left food out for them; by the morning it would be gone. I said we got those in Texas too where the food would be gone by morning. "They're called cockroaches." She didn't like that too much Sleep paralysis can indeed be terrifying but I'm sure it's a medical condition that isn't necessarily brought on by ghosts or anything. It never has happened to me though.
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Ghosts
Mar 29, 2024 1:02:33 GMT -5
Post by andrewwerdna on Mar 29, 2024 1:02:33 GMT -5
I imagine there is a ton of bickering about people faking things or not in the ghost hunting world. Seems like evidence always straddles the line between debunkable and too good to be true, and so if one happens to catch something in the latter category they might actually be reluctant to post it because they think people will accuse them of faking it. That hobby seems so fun. I was a big fan of the tv show Ghost Hunters when I was young and always thought it'd be cool to try collecting some evidence myself, but I'm too chicken to even use a Ouija board so maybe not.
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Ghosts
Mar 29, 2024 1:11:08 GMT -5
Post by Daytol on Mar 29, 2024 1:11:08 GMT -5
^Ouijas you shouldn't do anyway if you don't know what you're doing (and if paranormal people are right). If encounters with entities and ouijas actually exist, what you're doing is opening up a door. You have to learn to close it so the entity won't come back.
However much this is true or not, here's an interesting how to guide on using them.
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Ghosts
Mar 30, 2024 12:38:59 GMT -5
Post by knight12 on Mar 30, 2024 12:38:59 GMT -5
Daytol , yeah, I think you can even see the glimmer of the fishing lines at some points in the video, although they also look a bit like "orbs," so idk . When I first watched it it seemed to me like it would have to be so much effort and lots of people hiding in every corner of the room yanking on so many different fishing lines that they would probably all get tangled up. But then I heard the audio cut out at one point so I realized one or two people could just stop and start the recording and change their location. So probably a fake, but something about this particular video still strikes me as eerie despite coming to that conclusion. So I'm curious, if you've spent some time on paranormal forums and have this sort of skeptical outlook, are there any pictures, videos, evps, etc. that you found convincing, or at least hard to debunk? There's a lot of stuff that can just be written off as being obviously fake, but also there are a lot of instances where the evidence is such that you have to decide whether you trust the people involved, and it's hard to ever really do that unless you know them personally. As for the aliens, I did see a UFO three times in my life, two times I was not alone. Even as I saw something move quickly and change colours I could not make myself believe that these are aliens, my intuition told me this is some secret military experiment. When I was a teenager I was so convinced I saw a UFO, but in hindsight I'm pretty sure it was just a plane. I was outside at night by myself just relaxing and looking at the stars, and suddenly this big black triangular shape with lights on all three corners zips by silently. I told myself that a plane would not be flying low enough to be that big, and if it were it would make noise, and it would not be that fast. But in hindsight I think I was just listening to too much Coast to Coast AM at the time (a long-running paranormal radio talk show in the US) and really wanted to see a UFO. That is so cool! I remember hearing that a lot of people in Iceland still believe in fairies, but I suppose probably a lot of places in the world such old folkloric beliefs still hold strong. It's especially interesting to me that you say they claim to have spoken with them. Do they communicate with speech and if so is there an accent? Or is it telepathic? And what kinds of things do they say I wonder? Do you believe all incidents of sleep paralysis involve demons or can it sometimes just be a physiological event with possible hallucination? I had one experience of sleep paralysis about a decade ago when I was making an effort to lucid dream (doing reality checks and weird sorts of sleeping techniques), and one night I was locked in place and saw a black widow spider on my ceiling, which then fell onto my bed and burst into like a hundred tiny spiders because apparently it had its baby spiders on its back like spiders do. That jolted me awake and I was actually kind of stoked because I find nightmares to often be exhilarating, and it seemed like I was making progress with my efforts to lucid dream, but I can definitely see how it could be super unpleasant and terrifying if it happens seemingly for no reason and keeps reoccurring, especially if a person is not aware of the phenomenon. When people advise techniques for lucid dreaming they'll often mention the possibility of falling into a sleep paralysis state, and they will say things like "you might see or hear weird stuff, but it's nothing to worry about and is actually a good sign because that means you're on the threshhold of a very vivid lucid dream if you can keep your cool." Sleep paralysis is very interesting to me though, and I do not so easily discount that it can be a state in which one more easily has access to genuine paranormal encounters. I think probably at least a quarter of supposed ghost sightings can be attributed to sleep paralysis. They communicate by the local language as far as I know, there are also instances when dwarfs were seen and spoken to. About ten years back there was a man who said to the press that they had little hats, that he offered them food and that they are God's children like us. The fairies are often said to lure people to fall down because they consider us intruders, people often lose track in forests over here when they shout, or something falls on them. They are not always good. The dwarves are called TintiliniΔ with Δ sounding something like ch in China. Actually my best friend has a very old family and their surname is also a part of the local legends which say that they spoke with these small people, also that they would give offerings once a year to a dragon. I am really not sure what to think about sleep paralysis. I doubt that every one is a demonic attack, but so much has happened through history that it is hard to discount it as mere hallucinations. Most people who had these experiences was very sincere. When you look at all the main religions of the world, which disagree around theology completely, and yet are united in a belief that there is some place of evil where spiritual beings reside and that they can attack you. Isn't that strange? They can only agree that such a place exists. I had such an experience only three times and I can say that I wholeheartedly believe they were of a spiritual nature. When you read the Christian saints some of them also had experiences with something insectlike so your vision is not uncommon. One deminic dream I had was spiders on fire attacking me and I am fighthing back.
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Ghosts
Mar 30, 2024 14:35:48 GMT -5
Post by Daytol on Mar 30, 2024 14:35:48 GMT -5
The fairies are often said to lure people to fall down because they consider us intruders, people often lose track in forests over here when they shout, or something falls on them. They are not always good. If they exist, no, they're not. They're supposed to be pretty mischevious (sp). I have an Idiots Guide to Witchcraft book (no, I don't want to become a witch, I just find the religion of Wicca interesting and, with it being at a resale shop, got it for only a couple of bucks [plus, also/again, with having an interest in the paranormal, I had to get it ]). It has a few pages dedicated to fairies. They're difficult to get rid of, so, if you can supposedly summon them, you do NOT do it unless you're a fairly high level witch and you know a strong enough spell to get them out of your place in case they become a pain in the ass.
My book, by the way:
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Ghosts
Mar 31, 2024 1:57:03 GMT -5
Post by andrewwerdna on Mar 31, 2024 1:57:03 GMT -5
I am really not sure what to think about sleep paralysis. I doubt that every one is a demonic attack, but so much has happened through history that it is hard to discount it as mere hallucinations. Most people who had these experiences was very sincere. When you look at all the main religions of the world, which disagree around theology completely, and yet are united in a belief that there is some place of evil where spiritual beings reside and that they can attack you. Isn't that strange? They can only agree that such a place exists. I had such an experience only three times and I can say that I wholeheartedly believe they were of a spiritual nature. When you read the Christian saints some of them also had experiences with something insectlike so your vision is not uncommon. One deminic dream I had was spiders on fire attacking me and I am fighthing back. It is very interesting to think about, even in ancient Sumeria demons were a prominent thing, and also the djinn in the Islamic world, of course plenty of demons in pagan mythology. Even Buddhism has demons, right? I'm sure there must be some religions without demons, but I can't think of any. It is strange for me to look at the world in those terms though. I think if I were to have a "demonic attack" I would think of it as something else, probably a hallucination, but why not ghosts, aliens, fairies, dwarfs, or like a Lovecraftian dimensional breach? It seems like it could all be the same otherworldly thing but just described in different ways. And speaking of Wicca and Witchcraft, I'm curious what you guys would do if you found yourself living in a haunted house? I think, as long as the ghost was not showing signs of hostility, I would try to communicate with it to set boundaries, but still allow it to occupy the same space. But of course if hostile I'd be trying every trick the book, starting with just telling the entity to leave, and I guess eventually I would try to find some sort of spiritual practitioner that specializes in that sort of thing, but I would probably go for more of a new age/occult person before a priest.
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Ghosts
Apr 1, 2024 13:57:33 GMT -5
Post by Daytol on Apr 1, 2024 13:57:33 GMT -5
But of course if hostile I'd be trying every trick the book, starting with just telling the entity to leave, and I guess eventually I would try to find some sort of spiritual practitioner that specializes in that sort of thing, but I would probably go for more of a new age/occult person before a priest. Yeah, that can be difficult to deal with. I know of a guy on YouTube who did the wrong things and spirits followed him home from a graveyard. His wife found out about it when what appeared to be a black man showed up in a room and just as quickly disappeared. Living in a small town it's not easy to get a clergy man to deal with the problem. I don't think he ever found someone to do that, as with most cases where there isn't a priest that will do that kind of thing he got hung up on a lot when he called to inquire if a church would do such a service.
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Ghosts
Apr 8, 2024 9:09:26 GMT -5
Post by Mike Moth on Apr 8, 2024 9:09:26 GMT -5
When I was a late teen I was so desperate to see a ghost that I would take a bunch of LSD and sit in the graveyard for hours at night just waiting to see something, anything. Sadly, I never did see anything.
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