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Post by Almenning on Mar 28, 2018 14:52:07 GMT -5
THanx for the recommendation Almenning, I'll check it out! I already know of Ulver but unfortunately(?) first heard on "Themes from William..." which was definitely not my cup of tea and never got back to the rest and especially their earlier releases. Never even imagined that they could sound like Empyrium so that was new, ty for the rec! I've always been curious about it too so I finally did a bit of searching but everyone else seems to agree there's nothing else more similar to "Where At Night The Wood Grouse Plays" other than "Kveldssanger". And I'd put my money on Empyrium using Ulver's album as a starting point. "Where At Night..." is such an incredible album that it will prove very hard to match, especially the atmosphere. Sometimes an acoustic interlude shows up on some Black/Death albums and one of my favourites is Satyricon's Min Hyllest Til Vinterland from Dark Medieval Times which is kinda in the same vein but without the operatic vocals. If anyone knows other similar tracks please post! |
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Post by Almenning on Mar 30, 2018 8:02:17 GMT -5
Not Neofolk but made by Patrick Leagas after he left Death In June and created Sixth Comm and Mother Destruction. "Seething" is a visceral ritualistic album with amazing vocal work by Amodali. There's a few alternative versions of the tracks from this album on Youtube done by Mother Destruction but I don't enjoy those danceable remixes at all. I gathered here the two originals I could find. I only had this album on tape and never managed to buy the original cd from Discogs.
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Post by Pilgrim's Shadow on Mar 31, 2018 19:24:42 GMT -5
Is anyone into Steeleye Span?
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Post by dedran on Mar 31, 2018 22:46:22 GMT -5
OK I *have* to ask and I hope knowledgeable people of folk (I think?) could maybe help : Anything similar to the sound of Empyrium's "Where At Night The Wood Grouse Plays" ? Never found anything quite similar.. Empyrium's earlier albums while GREAT too, were metal albums, and later albums like Weiland hadn't that sound really .. I was pointed towards Tenhi in the faaaar distant past but It wasn't in that same style.. So, if anyone could come up with something it would be very appreciated  You should check out Neun Welten's album, "Destrunken." It's similar to Empyrium and Ulver to me, but, in my opinion, better: There's also this one by Dornenreich, although as far as I know, they don't have anything else similar to it: |
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Post by crystallogic13 on Apr 1, 2018 5:21:49 GMT -5
Nice find dedran too, Neun Welten seems to be pretty spot on! Besides mentioning Empyrium directly on their bandcamp page, they also share Prophecy records which I think relates with Empurium, Tenhi , as well as In The Woods... and I have a very old CD compilation of them from back in the day, "to Magic"! Nice find again, thanx a lot!!
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Post by dedran on Apr 1, 2018 8:56:35 GMT -5
Nice find dedran too, Neun Welten seems to be pretty spot on! Besides mentioning Empyrium directly on their bandcamp page, they also share Prophecy records which I think relates with Empurium, Tenhi , as well as In The Woods... and I have a very old CD compilation of them from back in the day, "to Magic"! Nice find again, thanx a lot!! No problem! They're definitely really good. Unlike Ulver and Empyrium, they seem to do it full-time, and I think they're more competent with their instruments. All good stuff, but Destrunken is my favorite album in that style. |
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Post by Almenning on Apr 1, 2018 10:03:46 GMT -5
This track made with synths, low pitched vocals and lyrics by Tolkien could easily be seen now as a Dungeon Synth piece but it was done by a one-man neofolk project called Berkana about whom I know nothing except he had this excellent 7'' released on Albin Julius's Hau Ruck! label in 2002, one track on a Neo-Form compilation and one later guitar based album released in 2007. Recommended to fans of the Eis & Licht sound and this release in particular to any DS aficionado.
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Post by Almenning on Apr 2, 2018 7:12:59 GMT -5
One of the best albums ever released by Eis und Licht. Its syncretism of Oriental and Ocidental religion/philosophy still fascinates me up to this day. Worth finding the album and going through the images and lyrics on the booklet. Their version of Sol Invictus "Tooth And Claw" on the "Sol Lucet Omnibus" tribute is quite impressive too.
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Post by Almenning on Apr 8, 2018 15:19:54 GMT -5
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Post by Pilgrim's Shadow on Apr 11, 2018 8:36:46 GMT -5
Steeleye Span, anyone?
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Post by Almenning on Apr 12, 2018 6:01:37 GMT -5
Awesome, never heard of them before but they seem to be an essential group of the British Folk scene, there's an interesting entry on Wikipedia about it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_folk_revivalThe kind of group that must have had some influence on the likes of Tony Wakeford, Michael Cashmore and Tibet but one which should probably be discussed on a different thread?? |
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Post by Pilgrim's Shadow on Apr 12, 2018 7:27:07 GMT -5
Awesome, never heard of them before but they seem to be an essential group of the British Folk scene, there's an interesting entry on Wikipedia about it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_folk_revivalThe kind of group that must have had some influence on the likes of Tony Wakeford, Michael Cashmore and Tibet but one which should probably be discussed on a different thread?? Yea i was not sure if it's really is what people can define "Neo-Folk", so at least i learned that it isn't. Damn, now i notice i already put this song in this thread and totally forgot about it haha. |
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Post by Almenning on Apr 12, 2018 9:02:39 GMT -5
Awesome, never heard of them before but they seem to be an essential group of the British Folk scene, there's an interesting entry on Wikipedia about it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_folk_revivalThe kind of group that must have had some influence on the likes of Tony Wakeford, Michael Cashmore and Tibet but one which should probably be discussed on a different thread?? Yea i was not sure if it's really is what people can define "Neo-Folk", so at least i learned that it isn't. Damn, now i notice i already put this song in this thread and totally forgot about it haha. All good! This brings me to mind how broad and inappropriate the term Neofolk can be. Terminology in music is a pain and often unnecessary but I always felt that shelving Death In June and Vàli together for example is somewhat misleading. The branching out of Post-Punk and Industrial music into the fields of Folk sprouted a genre of its own, and despite being composed of groups with different approaches, they all had that same background. While developing it also brought into Folk other themes like Occultism and Pan-Germanic Mythology but especially Völkisch ideals and WWII memorabilia. This all started in the 80's but the reason why it got so bad rep in the 90's and early 00's was because of the political grey areas some of these groups or individuals were associated with. I once attended a Death In June gig where the venue was disclosed a couple hours before by sms just to prevent it from being cancelled by protesters, but thats beside the point. I think these more recent groups who expressively focus their concepts on nature worship and romanticism and who play almost exclusively acoustic instruments (and who most certainly come from Black Metal) are different from others who feature electronic sounds and ideological flirtations. Not saying any of this isn't interchangeable but it seems like the traditional lineages of Industrial vs. Folk still have a big influence upon the behaviour of those who lean more to one genre than the another. And on top of that there are tons of contemporary groups who are classified as Neofolk who have nothing to do with any of this. I think the genre in general used to be called Dark Folk (and at an early instance Apocalyptic Folk) but somehow the Neofolk tag just stuck in the past decade or so. But Death In June is clearly Totenpop though crystallogic13 By the way, I had forgotten how Vàli sounds a hell lot like "Kveldssanger" and "Where At Night The Wood Grouse Plays". |
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Post by crystallogic13 on Apr 12, 2018 13:48:35 GMT -5
Niiice Almenning, thanx for the recommendation, investigating atm, their bandcamp is full of good feedback!! Thanx a lot!
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Post by dungeonsnake on Apr 12, 2018 17:33:09 GMT -5
Yea i was not sure if it's really is what people can define "Neo-Folk", so at least i learned that it isn't. Damn, now i notice i already put this song in this thread and totally forgot about it haha. All good! This brings me to mind how broad and inappropriate the term Neofolk can be. Terminology in music is a pain and often unnecessary but I always felt that shelving Death In June and Vàli together for example is somewhat misleading. The branching out of Post-Punk and Industrial music into the fields of Folk sprouted a genre of its own, and despite being composed of groups with different approaches, they all had that same background. While developing it also brought into Folk other themes like Occultism and Pan-Germanic Mythology but especially Völkisch ideals and WWII memorabilia. This all started in the 80's but the reason why it got so bad rep in the 90's and early 00's was because of the political grey areas some of these groups or individuals were associated with. I once attended a Death In June gig where the venue was disclosed a couple hours before by sms just to prevent it from being cancelled by protesters, but thats beside the point. I think these more recent groups who expressively focus their concepts on nature worship and romanticism and who play almost exclusively acoustic instruments (and who most certainly come from Black Metal) are different from others who feature electronic sounds and ideological flirtations. Not saying any of this isn't interchangeable but it seems like the traditional lineages of Industrial vs. Folk still have a big influence upon the behaviour of those who lean more to one genre than the another. And on top of that there are tons of contemporary groups who are classified as Neofolk who have nothing to do with any of this. I think the genre in general used to be called Dark Folk (and at an early instance Apocalyptic Folk) but somehow the Neofolk tag just stuck in the past decade or so. But Death In June is clearly Totenpop though crystallogic13 By the way, I had forgotten how Vàli sounds a hell lot like "Kveldssanger" and "Where At Night The Wood Grouse Plays". Thank you, this expresses a lot of points that I was not quite able to articulate myself. As for me, being a student of traditional European and North American folk music I prefer contemporary acoustic acts which often cross the line into "neo-chamber music". Perhaps it is my definition that is wrong? Perhaps there should be a thread specifically for traditional folk music. I really enjoyed that Steeleye Span song/video. Very cool. |
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