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Post by Tyrannus on Mar 31, 2018 6:42:20 GMT -5
I'm curious what the trve folks are up to these days. Does anyone know if their group is still active? Last I heard it was dwindling but still around...I think it was mainly Nathan P. and Raev for a while, but I think Nathan left, I’m not sure. My understanding is that not much happens there, but I think it still exists.
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Post by kktz on Mar 31, 2018 8:07:29 GMT -5
Commercial / polished production may be seen as untrue as well. Anyway, who cares. This is all quite ridicilous.
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Post by thekeeper on Apr 2, 2018 20:53:14 GMT -5
Are all these deflectors American? Might be the start of a True American Majestic Synth movement I hope the genre continues to evolve but it would be nice to at least keep some of the original offbeat charm. There was also a time when Andrew Eldritch tried not to be associated with goths anymore but ended up realising it was them who were paying his bills and never mentioned it again. I think the majority are, yes, plus a couple Russian based artists. Sequestered Keep was one of the originals who dropped the tag around Verminaard's post, though when he released his last album he added the tag back on for a couple days before taking it back off, presumably to make sure people see his album. Seems kind of silly to reuse the term to get noticed and then stop again. A lot of artists on BC use tags not for exactly what they are but for things related to them in case fans of similar sounds are interested, don't see why they don't just do that. I'm curious what the trve folks are up to these days. Does anyone know if their group is still active? I know Verminaard's working on a new album. I think him and Michael were doing like a nwobhm thrashy kind of band, too. Nate put out a split with Crypt of Carmilla for his Werwolfsblut project. Don't know what Raev is doing. Who else is a trve-ite, Carnifexian? He had his stuff collected and out as an album on Dark Age Prod. As far as the FB group, I don't know.
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Post by Sargeburt on Apr 3, 2018 10:06:51 GMT -5
To be honest, i don't understand this kind of self-portrayal. I approve the path of elitism and i think it is an important part of every scene. But to make a group and calling themself elite or trve is just hilarious and idiotic. As i watched which artists tried to divide themselfs with this from the "popular" or "false" ones it gave me a hysterical laughter. Also this own "invention" of a genre called Battle Synth (and in the end they use the term DS because nobody search for something like this) is just awkward... Sorry for this harsh words, but i've seen so many people calling themself trve or elite and at the end of the day they were just a bunch of dorks.
As i left the fb group last year i made a short statement on my profile and after a few minutes one of the artists mentioned above invited me to the "trve" group. I left the fb one because people like this try to telling which DS artists we need to listen to and then i should be in this group? No way...
From my sight elitism and "trveness" is a silent path. The focus should be on the music, the celebrating of the old ones and the courage to going forward but never loosing the roots from where it comes. But to call yourself elite or trve and make silly statements on the internet is embarassing. Don't talk about it, just make it.
I really like the music of Verminaard and Carnifexian. But to see how they are giving us these self-expression doesn't awake sympathy or doesn't make their music better...
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Post by thekeeper on Apr 3, 2018 11:05:39 GMT -5
From my sight elitism and "trveness" is a silent path. Definitely. I've probably said before in this thread, I don't really mind an elite mindset in music even if I don't have one. It's in literally every genre you can think of, some to more varying degrees of intensity (harsh noise scene), but yes it's definitely more productive as a quiet thing. It's probably at it's lowest levels now in DS for at least a year and half or so, but unfortunately now a number of veterans aren't that vocally present in the community (even in more quaint settings such as this forum).
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Post by Tyrannus on Apr 3, 2018 13:36:54 GMT -5
From my sight elitism and "trveness" is a silent path. Definitely. I've probably said before in this thread, I don't really mind an elite mindset in music even if I don't have one. It's in literally every genre you can think of, some to more varying degrees of intensity (harsh noise scene), but yes it's definitely more productive as a quiet thing. It's probably at it's lowest levels now in DS for at least a year and half or so, but unfortunately now a number of veterans aren't that vocally present in the community (even in more quaint settings such as this forum). I wouldn't call that "unfortunate"...while I suppose it'd be a shame for people to stop making the music, I don't think it's any tragedy if they leave the "community" necessarily...people enter different phases of their lives and not everyone wants to keep involved in an online scene so idk. At the end of the day we can't waste too much energy worrying about it.
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Post by andrewwerdna on Apr 3, 2018 22:10:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I wish a lot of these guys would go back to posting publicly, even if what they post is negative. I'd like to hear those contrary opinions. It would stir things up in an interesting way. But if the truth of it is that they stopped posting because they just didn't have the time or interest, well that's lame that they wouldn't say so and had to make it some elitist statement. Like, Romulo (who I really miss) basically just said his time with the community was done, and that was that. Real life should be the priority, of course.
But I got to admit, not knowing what goes on in that group does give it an air of mystery still, even though it might be totally dead, I have no idea so I remain curious. Like maybe any day now they'll release a secret weapon, a compilation to rule them all or something. Even though I had my disagreements, I'd still definitely like to think that they're active and engaged with the music and haven't just stubbornly backed themselves into a corner of stagnation.
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Post by Tyrannus on Apr 3, 2018 22:17:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I wish a lot of these guys would go back to posting publicly, even if what they post is negative. I'd like to hear those contrary opinions. It would stir things up in an interesting way. But if the truth of it is that they stopped posting because they just didn't have the time or interest, well that's lame that they wouldn't say so and had to make it some elitist statement. Like, Romulo (who I really miss) basically just said his time with the community was done, and that was that. Real life should be the priority, of course. But I got to admit, not knowing what goes on in that group does give it an air of mystery still, even though it might be totally dead, I have no idea so I remain curious. Like maybe any day now they'll release a secret weapon, a compilation to rule them all or something. Even though I had my disagreements, I'd still definitely like to think that they're active and engaged with the music and haven't just stubbornly backed themselves into a corner of stagnation. Ha well I wouldn’t give them too much credit, I mean I doubt they’re brewing up any spectacular compilations or anything like that. I think they created a secret group to create this artificial mystique and stuff so I dunno I don’t really feel like playing into their hands if it can be helped
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Post by andrewwerdna on Apr 3, 2018 22:28:21 GMT -5
Yeah, but it's also worth considering that they've created a situation for themselves where there are now absurdly high expectations to live up to for their work. Anything they release has to live up to their rhetoric. I know that would make it very hard for me to get any work done because I'd be constantly second-guessing myself, so I do have sympathy in that sense and wish them well in their attempt to accomplish that.
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Post by Tyrannus on Apr 3, 2018 22:43:11 GMT -5
Yeah, but it's also worth considering that they've created a situation for themselves where there are now absurdly high expectations to live up to for their work. Anything they release has to live up to their rhetoric. I know that would make it very hard for me to get any work done because I'd be constantly second-guessing myself, so I do have sympathy in that sense and wish them well in their attempt to accomplish that. I feel like London is probably the only guy there who’s self-assured enough to carry on undaunted. But yeah you kinda get yourself stuck when you go on and on about quality and standards
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Post by chaucerianmyth on Apr 6, 2018 22:11:14 GMT -5
I'm so confused as to how anyone could be a super serious elitist in a genre like Dungeon Synth.
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Post by jondexter on Apr 12, 2018 9:01:27 GMT -5
People take themselves far too seriously and think they are some kind of hot shots. Hopefully some of uses will understand how I relate this to the topic at hand youtu.be/doArSp1AIUw
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Post by thekeeper on Apr 12, 2018 9:12:18 GMT -5
People take themselves far too seriously and think they are some kind of hot shots. Hopefully some of uses will understand how I relate this to the topic at hand youtu.be/doArSp1AIUwIs this good? Trailer seems like it could go greatly in either direction.
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Post by jondexter on Apr 12, 2018 9:16:35 GMT -5
People take themselves far too seriously and think they are some kind of hot shots. Hopefully some of uses will understand how I relate this to the topic at hand youtu.be/doArSp1AIUwIs this good? Trailer seems like it could go greatly in either direction. Yeah it is one of my all time favourites can’t recommend it highly enough
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Post by nahadoth on Apr 17, 2018 19:03:28 GMT -5
An interesting angle to this thread - that new Arno Brecker project. Putting aside all the obvious Nazi connection and fascist language, the attempt to distinguish "solar art" from "dungeon degeneracy" strikes me as the same trend we've discussed earlier, taken to an extreme. I notice the artist still put their music in the dungeon synth tag on bandcamp...
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